K2 or "spice" blamed for teens death and gains popularity as substitution for weed

[Lucas156]

K2 Gains Popularity Among Athletes: Similar High As Pot, No Positive Drug Test | ThePostGame

Why is marijuana outlawed again? Are they in the process of making this "spice" illegal too? This war on drugs is getting ridiculous. What say you?

 

[misconfig]

Give me pot over this crap any day!

I'd never smoke that crap.

 

[mrjarrell]

Folks will always find a way to get high. It's human nature. Been that way for thousands of years and it's not going to change anytime soon. Something new will come along as soon as "spice" is outlawed. It's the free market.

 

[misconfig]

Folks will always find a way to get high. It's human nature. Been that way for thousands of years and it's not going to change anytime soon. Something new will come along as soon as "spice" is outlawed. It's the free market.

I'm fairly certain the only reason people use "spice" is because it's currently legal, once it's dubbed "illegal" it's back to smoking pot for these people again.

Only difference, they'll be criminals again, I'm sure no one would chose this "spice" over the real thing.

 

[melensdad]

I own some cigar lounges/smoke shops and some of my competitors, plus some gas stations and C stores sell this stuff. We refuse to sell it, despite it's high profit margins. On shop down the street from us told one of the tobacco salespeople that the sale of this stuff is paying thir rent. We don't allow kids in our shops (must be 18 to come in our shops - yes we card) and it's middle age adults who come in asking for K2!?!

 

[misconfig]

I own some cigar lounges/smoke shops and some of my competitors, plus some gas stations and C stores sell this stuff. We refuse to sell it, despite it's high profit margins. On shop down the street from us told one of the tobacco salespeople that the sale of this stuff is paying thir rent. We don't allow kids in our shops (must be 18 to come in our shops - yes we card) and it's middle age adults who come in asking for K2!?!

I once read a statistic ( I'll try to find it ), most people who are smoking "the pot" are middle-aged successful individuals.

Smoke pot or take a xanax - I trust pot more, especially if it were legal and regulated accordingly.

 

[jedi]

Hum... Is this stuff not illegal now?

As of March 1st, 2011, Spice, K2 and the like are no longer legal alternatives in the United States, as an at least one year long ban by the DEA has gone into effect.[4]
From: Synthetic cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SOURCE: DEA imposes "emergency" ban to control synthetic marijuana - CNN.com

 

[vz. 61]

I once read a statistic ( I'll try to find it ), most people who are smoking "the pot" are middle-aged successful individuals.

Smoke pot or take a xanax - I trust pot more, especially if it were legal and regulated accordingly.

This is the problem I see with most attempts at legalization.

How does one regulate what can be grown nearly anywhere and expect it to have no black market value?

 

[misconfig]

This is the problem I see with most attempts at legalization.

How does one regulate what can be grown nearly anywhere and expect it to have no black market value?

The black market value dissipates from the direct competition of legit corporations that hone the growing process and provide you with a superior product.

Let alone, I don't think I'd buy cigarettes from Slack-Jaw Bob when I can buy a pack of Marlboro's from the store, legally.

 

[level.eleven]

Too bad its illegal. Someone could have made a fortune repackaging it as TigerBlood!

 

[vz. 61]

The black market value dissipates from the direct competition of legit corporations that hone the growing process and provide you with a superior product.

Let alone, I don't think I'd buy cigarettes from Slack-Jaw Bob when I can buy a pack of Marlboro's from the store, legally.

It's hard for me to believe that the quality of Marijuana that is currently available will ever be surpassed by a mass produced product when it can so cheaply be produced by anyone at home. Taxation of MJ just seems to be impossible to me, and I like that.

 

[mrjarrell]

It's hard for me to believe that the quality of Marijuana that is currently available will ever be surpassed by a mass produced product when it can so cheaply be produced by anyone at home. Taxation of MJ just seems to be impossible to me, and I like that.

Why? LA is passing a sales tax on medical marijuana, as we speak. So, it's not impossible, (altho, it's something I vehemently disagree with. Medicines should never be taxed). The federal government has had tax stamps for pot for decades. Not sure if anyone's ever availed themselves of them, tho.

As for quality, it's the mass production vs. Homebrewers deal all over again. It'll be the same when this country finally gets its collective crap together and does the sane thing and legalises it.

 

[vz. 61]

My argument is simply that any regulation of Marijuana will create criminals, which I'm sure you agree. I do not see a day coming where I can grow as much pot as I want and sell it to whoever I want without my door getting kicked in, and that is the problem.

 

[misconfig]

My argument is simply that any regulation on Marijuana will create criminals, which I'm sure you agree. I do not see a day coming where I can grow as much pot as I want and sell it to whoever I want, that is the problem.

I'm still missing the point here - what would be the point in growing pot to sell it illegally when you can buy it LEGALLY.

I'm so confused by what you're trying to communicate. If pot is legalized or decriminalized; it eliminates the need for dealers to distribute as the profit margin simply isn't worth it.

Have we not learned anything from alcohol prohibition? This is simple micro/macro economics.

It's hard for me to believe that the quality of Marijuana that is currently available will ever be surpassed by a mass produced product when it can so cheaply be produced by anyone at home. Taxation of MJ just seems to be impossible to me, and I like that.

Trust me there is a difference in quality between G13 ( legal medical marijuana ) and anything on the black market including "premium" grade marijuana.

Quality control is there, they have the resources to grow legally without threat of being caught and they hire REAL scientists/botanists/horticulturists. BIG TIME difference man.

 

[vz. 61]

What is the point in brewing your own beer?

My point is that proponents of legalization who ask for government regulation of MJ are just as bad as prohibitionists.

 

[misconfig]

What is the point in brewing your own beer?

My point is that proponents of legalization who ask for government regulation of MJ are just as bad as prohibitionists.

^^^^^^

P.S it's not about "asking for regulation" it's about finding common ground, you know the gubment needs it's share, plain and simple.

 

[Lucas156]

^^^^^^

P.S it's not about "asking for regulation" it's about finding common ground, you know the gubment needs it's share, plain and simple.

Exactly. It would be a step in the right direction for sure.

 

[vz. 61]

Your accusing me of trolling is insulting.

We obviously agree on this topic, so why a personal attack because I feel that words like 'regulate' aren't good for promoting Capitalism?

My liberty has no "common ground"

 

[misconfig]

Your accusing me of trolling is insulting.

We obviously agree on this topic, so why a personal attack because I feel that words like 'regulate' aren't good for promoting Capitalism?

If it has offended you, I apologize.

The trolling comment was directed towards the "why brew your own beer" I'm a craft brewer and I can name a 1,000 reasons why people brew their own beer.

The main reason - it makes people happy and it's a productive and very scientific hobby, simply put.

To get back on topic - K2 is nasty stuff, although banning it for a few deaths is a bit overboard, I say we ban cars!

 

[vz. 61]

Research chemicals in general tend to be risky business and is one of the results of prohibition that is just beginning to show it's face.

While I wouldn't consider JWH-018 particularly dangerous I would have to agree that MJ is much better than RC alternatives.