Largest army in the world

[DanO]

True, a group of people with rifles does not an army make, but invading our country our current military and the number of armed citizens we have is not going to seem like a good deal to any foreign nation.

 

[DHolder]

A small group of farmers and business men were able to change the minds of the greatest army in the world. They took the time to train, and answered when called on to muster for the defense of their land and freedoms. Within hours, 14,000 armed citizens had gathered to defend themselves from a tyranical government. This, took place in the 1700's, men and boys KNEW how to use their muskets and were not afraid to stand up for what they belived in.

Today, however, I'm not so sure. I know we see a lot of our fellow gun owners, getting off the couch and returning to the heritage of the past. They are learning about the sacrifices our forefathers gave and learning to be riflemen. If you wonder about the outcome of our future, come learn about our past, join me on the line at an Appleseed.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

now think what the fed goverment would think WHEN all of those people united and said "NO MORE OF YOUR CRAP"... it would be a push over

Fixed it for ya. Even with the promise keepers and the military members that will not fire upon American citizens, I doubt it would exactly be a "pushover", especially since most of the US hardware is over seas (intentionally) and it will be foreign UN "peace keeping" forces that are utilized against the American people.

 

[cedarhillfarms11]

I agree, definitely not an easy victory ahead of us to restore this great country. There is a strong coalition of powers, home and abroad strongly united to change the western way of life. Doesn't really matter if you are a believer or not, our founding documents were Divinely inspired to create a land where men would be free to chart their own course. We have been endowed rights by our Creator, but it is the responsibility of all of us to keep and pass them on. There is a growing evil in this world that says man cannot rule himself. I disagree and so do you. I am 27 and smart enough to see that my generation wants everything and appreciates nothing, but I still have faith. Faith in God, man, and freedom. We as a country have taken things for granted for far too long. We have stood silently by, while political correctness and progressivism have slowly separated us from our founding principles. It will be a long hard road, but I believe in my heart that we will unite and stand as a beacon of freedom and truth once again. I fear our opportunity will be here sooner than later!!!! Thank you all for this thread. Please check out Freedom Connector. It is time us stupid Americans do a little "Community Organizing" of our own.

 

[finity]

We have stood silently by, while political correctness and progressivism have slowly separated us from our founding principles.

I hate to remind you but our country's founding principles were based on progressivism not conservatism. The Enlightenment was in full swing after many years (centuries) of repressive conservatism by the churches & the monarchs of Europe.

Freedom of religion, speech & press were not conservative values. Later, slavery was not a progressive ideal.

"Conservatism" is based on the concept of "conserving" the morals, mores & traditions of the society in which they are based at any cost. The conservatives want to maintain the status quo. The Loyalists were the conservatives of their day. If we had followed the conservatives we would still be singing "God Save the Queen" as our national anthem.

 

[cedarhillfarms11]

"Conservatism" is based on the concept of "conserving" the morals, mores & traditions of the society in which they are based at any cost. The conservatives want to maintain the status quo. The Loyalists were the conservatives of their day. If we had followed the conservatives we would still be singing "God Save the Queen" as our national anthem.[/QUOTE]

I am using Progressivism in the since of an ideological thought process. I was referring to progressives like the the Clintons and the progressive party. Hilary said in 2008 that she didn't like to be called a liberal and preferred the term progressive. She was referring to early leaders of progressivism like Teddy R and Woodrow Wilson. These people do not believe in the power of the individual, or personal property rights to name a few. Everything to them, revolved around the collective. These ideals came over directly from Europe through the likes of George Bernard Shaw in the late 1800's. He believed that citizens should have to explain their existence in front of a panel of elitist. He also said that there should be a ''humane'' gas developed for the removed of people not worth keeping in society. These views are nothing like those of our founders.

I agree that society must adapt and grow and that is why our constitution was designed with an amendment process. When I was talking about conserving our founding principles, I was referring to Life, Liberty, and Property. Later changed to Pursuit of happiness so that slave owners could not use our founding documents as a means to claim they had a right to keep their slave as property. Our documents were created around the individual and the idea that man could rule himself. Progressives don't believe in these ideas. They think that elites are always going to have to decide what is best for the masses because they are to stupid.

When I say Progressive, I am referring to a type of person, not the definition of the word. Progressives only really differ from communists in the since that they realized that the American people would not accept their ideas and communists don't care. Communists call for revolution now through force but the progressives figured out that if they were patient they could achieve their social change one piece at a time. All that I am talking about is conserving our founding idea that power should be in-trusted to the individual not the state. Yes our founding documents were designed to progress with us but our principles and values should never change. In terms of todays definitions of conservatism and progressivism, as idealogical thought, when it comes to our founding ideals, there is no question where our founders would stand. Sorry if we don't understand each other or just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Redneckbuckeye]

While it is staggering statistic, we compared to a trained and well equipped military force would sustain heavy casualties, if put into a battle type senerio. Technology that a trained military force posse would be something nearly impossible to overcome, not to mention the lack of training, organization and discipline. Saying all that, the American army made up largely of farmers and peasants defeated, for our freedom, the best trained military in the world. I pray we never need to find out.

 

[finity]

Our documents were created around the individual and the idea that man could rule himself. Progressives don't believe in these ideas.

Well, I can tell you from first hand personal experience that not ALL progressives think the way you say WE do.

They think that elites are always going to have to decide what is best for the masses because they are to stupid.

Hm, funny. That sounds an AWFUL lot like many of the conservative leaders we have today, too.



What I am trying to get at is that there are many positives in the ideologies of both ends of the spectrum. There are also many bad things, as well. Neither side can claim any kind of ultimate "moral superiority". What we need to do is try to find a way to come together & be able to take the best of both sides for the good of everyone.

We can call each other names all day long if you want. Go ahead & call me a "commie". I can call you a "fascist"...but where does that get us? Nowhere.

Or here:

"What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men." *

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land

And
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war

Look at the shoes your filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

"WE PRACTICE SELECTIVE ANNIHILATION OF MAYORS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
FOR EXAMPLE TO CREATE A VACUUM
THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM
AS POPULAR WAR ADVANCES
PEACE IS CLOSER" **

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
And I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war"

Axl Rose got this one VERY right.

 

[finity]

While it is staggering statistic, we compared to a trained and well equipped military force would sustain heavy casualties, if put into a battle type senerio. Technology that a trained military force posse would be something nearly impossible to overcome, not to mention the lack of training, organization and discipline. Saying all that, the American army made up largely of farmers and peasants defeated, for our freedom, the best trained military in the world. I pray we never need to find out.

So how're those wars in Iraq & Afghanistan going again?

The Afghans drove the Soviets out & that war was one of the biggest reasons why the USSR collapsed - trying to sustain their army in the face of resistance by a bunch of untrained, unorganized, & undisciplined "farmers and peasants".

 

[cedarhillfarms11]

Those wars are not going well because progressives like Bush and Obama don't fight win. Our rules of engagement keep our troops from being able to fight. The last time we fought a war to win it we dropped nukes, and it took 2 to get the point across. If you are not going to let them fight to win then bring them home.

Funny how the two names you bring up are commie and fascist. Those are the left and right of Europe not America. They are one in the same, at the end of the day it is State Control. Our left and right in America are total government or anarchy. The Articles of Confederation were to close to anarchy, and not enough central power. That is why the founders returned to form the Constitution.

I am not name calling, these people I have mentioned call themselves progressives. I have simply studied what they mean by that term and where it originates from. We are now arguing between far left and center left while the large majority of the population is center right. It will all come out in the wash. After enough time passes for a few more elections we will see where the electorate stands. I feel that it is not with the fiscal and social policies currently bankrupting this country.

 

[Redneckbuckeye]

So how're those wars in Iraq & Afghanistan going again?

The Afghans drove the Soviets out & that war was one of the biggest reasons why the USSR collapsed - trying to sustain their army in the face of resistance by a bunch of untrained, unorganized, & undisciplined "farmers and peasants".

Like said above those wars were not fought to win, I am not saying it would be a total lose, just think we might not look to many as much of a threat. Another factor when you are fight for freedom, and not just a policing engagement there is a huge difference.

 

[dudish]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Isoroku Yamamoto

A well known fact during WWII. I am glad we still have the ability to maintain that.

 

[finity]

Those wars are not going well because progressives like Bush and Obama don't fight win.

Oh man here we go with calling Bush a "progressive" again.

He was a conservative through & through. He was elected & re-elected by the conservatives in the Republican party. Don't try to deny him now when you elected him twice.

Talk about revisionist history. Sheesh!

 

[gunman41mag]

We can be a F O R C E to reckon with !!!

 

[cedarhillfarms11]

Oh man here we go with calling Bush a "progressive" again.

He was a conservative through & through. He was elected & re-elected by the conservatives in the Republican party. Don't try to deny him now when you elected him twice.

Talk about revisionist history. Sheesh!

He is a progressive, just like his daddy. ''New World Order'' And a fiscal socialist to boot. Wanted to sign on to the amnesty bill as well. He is just a progressive that loves his country and had a future vision of America being in charge of the Global Government instead of the UN. I don't get to hand select the nominee and if I could he wouldn't have been on the ticket.

The republican party hasn't run a real candidate since Reagan, and even he didn't reign in the out of control spending.

Have you ever read Obamas books or those of his educators? I guess maybe you just blindly follow a man chanting ''Change'' in front of his Union buddies. Do you even know what these people believe in? Bill Ayers, Rev Wright, Soros, Bernadine Dohrn, Code Pink who had direct ties to Hamas when organizing the Flotilla against Israel. What exactly is this ''Fundamental Change"? Change into what? About 2 seconds of research can answer that.

Bush had ties to Wall Street and big business as you call it, and the bamster has ties to big global union and wall st. ''Big Business'' too, GE ring a bell. They are all getting wealthier while we and the rest of the world suffer. I was saying all of this under Bush and You were chanting "Nazi", and now I wonder why you are silent. PROGRESSIVES on both sides remember. Obamas first stimulus, or union payoff, cost more than the entire Iraq war that you hated so much. But guess what, your boy still has troops there and even more dying in Afghanistan. This Country is Broke, but pay no attention, just keep waiving that Hope flag. Oh, that the NEA created with tax dollars.

There is corruption on both sides, and while they have successfully pitted us against each other instead of coming together on things we can agree on, the country and globe fall further into debt and chaos. Wake up! Quit picking sides and playing political games!

 

[cedarhillfarms11]

I don't deny him, I just knew who he was. Just like I know who Obama and his buddies are. I would elect Bush again right now over Kerry, Gore, and the putts we have in there. He may have not been my first choice, but the best of the bad options for sure. He at least knew well enough to stand with our allies instead of stabbing them in the back. Now we think it is best to give Europe's missile secrets to Russia, and side with the Arabs against Israel.

 

[finity]

You need to read some of my other posts.

I never supported Obama. I may have supported some of the things he's done but I don't really think he's really much better than bush. He's not as bad but he's not much better. Both sides are fairly screwed up. I disagreed with the bailouts when bush started them & I didn't like them when Obama finished them. Bush lied us into the war & Obama has kept us there.

I don't think things will ever get any better until both sides stop playing politics. I'm not the one who's constantly playing political games here. I just point out the hypocrisy of those who spout crap about the current aministration while longing for the return of the just as bad if not worse republican rule. The democrats didn't get us the mess we're in all by themselves. Your cherished republicans had a huge hand in it too. It was big business & their dreams of corporate feifdom that has us where we are. Not to mention the religious zealots who want to try to force their puritanical fundamentalism down everybody's throat like they somehow have the corner on morality. Yeah right. Both of those institutions are overwhelmingly supported by the conservatives.

Like I said both sides have alot wrong with them but both sides also have good ideas too.

 

[SSGSAD]

America's Hunters. The World's Largest Army.

This year there were over 600,000 deer hunting permits issued to Wisconsin hunters and not one person was killed.*
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That's more men under arms tha n Iran ;*more than France and Germany combined*- deployed to the woods of a single American state*
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There were 750,000 permits issued to Pennsylvania deer hunters and Michigan had 700,000 hunters. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia , and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. *The money these hunters pay for permits and the hunt is income t o the State*
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And that is just FOUR states.*
The total population of registered h unters in America today ranges from 23 million to 43.7 million individuals. (Based on annual data provided by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.)*
As long as Americans retain their right to Bear Arms, America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops. The cost of this Army to the American Taxpayer is zero.

Hunting - it's not just a way to fill the freezer. *It's a matter of national security.
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Think about that for a minute !

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THIS, is THE reason, Japan, DIDN'T invade the US, during WWII, this is a FACT !!!!! The Americans, are better armed, than MOST other Armies, in the world..... With 80 million gun owners, owning 200 million guns, who do you think would win ?????