Lead Developer Of HPV Vaccines Comes Clean

[rambone]

you use the same arguments against this "medicine" that others use For vaccines. What are you going to say when someone comes on here and talks about how they watched their loved one die of cervical cancer when a simple shot would have saved her? The odds may be high (if the 2.4 per 100k is correct) then why isn't the high odds against someone having an adverse reaction also just a reason to scare, pressure and coerce everyone into NOT getting a vax?

The industry endlessly pours scary statistics on us to sell drugs. The season's flu deaths, the latest "outbreak." And there's only a one in a zillion to have a side effect. Isn't that right? The difference is that the skeptical side isn't hawking products.

 

[level.eleven]

Ultimately though, I hold consumers responsible. If we had a more scientifically literate population that understood the vocabulary of clinical trials, statistics, and what not, people might not be so quick to jump on the latest medical "breakthrough" bandwagon.

I don't need to read the article. I have a Master's Degree in Environmental Science.

Which is it? Read or don't read?
Science isn't an ideology.

 

[88GT]

I don't need to read the article. I have a Master's Degree in Environmental Science.

Which is it? Read or don't read?
Science isn't an ideology.

1. The contents of the article were not germane to the discussion I was having wherein I made that comment.

2. The choice to read something is not reflective of someone's literacy/understanding of said something.

3. Who is it that is claiming it is an ideology that you feel the need to tell me it is not?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, or what relevance the quote you pulled from another thread has to do with this discussion or whatever point it is you are trying to make. Do you not think that our population is rather lacking in basic scientific knowledge as well as the ability to use that knowledge to make educated, rational evaluations of the information being presents to them?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The difference is that the skeptical side isn't hawking products.

This is a joke, right?

The anti-Science crowd hawks plenty of crap for sale.

 

[Lex Concord]

Reading this now: Annals of Medicine - HPV Vaccine

Thought there might be an interest.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Reading this now: Annals of Medicine - HPV Vaccine

Thought there might be an interest.

The most significant thing in the material you so kindly linked:

Further-more, medical ethics demand that vaccination should be carried out with the participant’s full and informed consent

Vaccinations first mandated in Texas apparently on account of a certain manufacturer being chummy with a certain governor in a legislative campaign which was long on hype and short on respect for the rights of the people. Neither being informed nor being afforded consent were part of the program until there was a political backlash forcing an 'opt-out' option. Supposedly it was done this way so that those who could not afford the vaccine and wanted it could get .gov money for it (from a R governor no less) with the simultaneous protest of not wanting to 'force' people to do anything. Why would I expect to find an ad for a good buy on a bridge right next to the press release on that one.

 

[rambone]

This is a joke, right?

The anti-Science crowd hawks plenty of crap for sale.

What are you selling?

 

[88GT]

This is a joke, right?

The anti-Science crowd hawks plenty of crap for sale.

The only joke is the repeated use of straw men and other logical fallacies. Anti-science? What's that? Anything that doesn't jibe with the government-approved status quo? If the CDC didn't sign off on it, it must be anti-science, huh? Because there's no way that the millions of individuals who are allowing doctors to inject foreign substances into their bodies haven't had full disclosure. So, yeah, it hindsight, I suppose it is a joke. The idea that western medicine is infallible and the best possible choice certainly makes me laugh uproariously.