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[danielson]

Well, IMO, there are TWO sides. First, which you are focusing on, is leaning how to clear a malfunction. Second, is WHY the malfunction happened. A semi auto relies on you giving it a solid base. Meaning, if the slide tries to go back, and your arm goes back with it, absorbing the recoil, you are moving the frame backwards, while the slide is depending on it staying in place, in order to cycle properly. Heres a video explaining the issue. Its common to new semi auto shooters.

[video=youtube;H_Uqtz2asE4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4[/video]

 

[Big Guy]

The main thing to do in this case, is to stop frantically pulling the trigger, that isn't going to help. Start by locking the slide back while the gun remains pointed downrange, if you can, eject the mag, then slowly, and carefully, try to get the the jammed bullet out of the chamber. Don't ever give up the auto for a wheel gun! Wheel guns are for chic's!

 

[Big Guy]

Thanks for the info, it was very informative. I have, or have owned one of every caliber Glock made.

 

[X piller X]

The main thing to do in this case, is to stop frantically pulling the trigger, that isn't going to help. Start by locking the slide back while the gun remains pointed downrange, if you can, eject the mag, then slowly, and carefully, try to get the the jammed bullet out of the chamber. Don't ever give up the auto for a wheel gun! Wheel guns are for chic's!

Thanks for the info, it was very informative. I have, or have owned one of every caliber Glock made.

Welcome. Nice first and second post

 

[X piller X]

And I actually thought to myself at first I was limp wristing kind of. So I did tighten my grip after that. I just need more practice and more experience. Prime reason to get out to the range anytime I have the extra cash and time

 

[looney2ns]

In this type of failure, I don't believe ammo brand would have much to do with it. For one reason or another, your extractor didn't grab the spent casing like it should have. The only ammo related problem I could think of is that maybe the shell bulged more than it should have, making it difficult to extract. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Yep it will, you will find that WWB is mainly crap all the way around. Put a caliper on the casing and you will most likely see it is below SAMMI specs.

 

[X piller X]

Yep it will, you will find that WWB is mainly crap all the way around. Put a caliper on the casing and you will most likely see it is below SAMMI specs.

The difference is the fact of paying $25 for 50 round or 100 rounds. I like to shoot not only for practice but entertainment with my girlfriend and friends

 

[SERparacord]

1911 Malfunctions | Modern Service Weapons

 

[chezuki]

The main thing to do in this case, is to stop frantically pulling the trigger, that isn't going to help. Start by locking the slide back while the gun remains pointed downrange, if you can, eject the mag, then slowly, and carefully, try to get the the jammed bullet out of the chamber. Don't ever give up the auto for a wheel gun! Wheel guns are for chic's!

There was no "bullet" in the chamber, just a spent case.

 

[chezuki]

I'm surprised no one has asked... What kind of pistol was it?

 

[X piller X]

I'm surprised no one has asked... What kind of pistol was it?

M&p 9mm. Ive fired around 500 rounds flawless all federal. This was the first box of wwb ive used and had that one failure.

Regardless of my one failure. Im still an m&p guy. And I blame either limpwristing or the cheap ammo.

 

[chezuki]

M&p 9mm. Ive fired around 500 rounds flawless all federal. This was the first box of wwb ive used and had that one failure.

Regardless of my one failure. Im still an m&p guy. And I blame either limpwristing or the cheap ammo.

Hmm. I highly doubt WWB would be light enough not to cycle. I'd lean more toward limp-wristing. I've never had an issue with my M&P's but my buddy was having a few FTE's with his so I let him try mine. Sure enough, he had the same issues with my pistol and his pistol ran flawlessly for me. He was a fairly new shooter without very solid fundamentals. I'd try and really focus on your grip and stance to make sure your body is absorbing the recoil rather than your wrists. Are you a small stature guy?

 

[X piller X]

Hmm. I highly doubt WWB would be light enough not to cycle. I'd lean more toward limp-wristing. I've never had an issue with my M&P's but my buddy was having a few FTE's with his so I let him try mine. Sure enough, he had the same issues with my pistol and his pistol ran flawlessly for me. He was a fairly new shooter without very solid fundamentals. I'd try and really focus on your grip and stance to make sure your body is absorbing the recoil rather than your wrists. Are you a small stature guy?

Im about 6 foot 180lbs. Decent build. And as ive said. Never had a failure before today. I was thinking I was limp wristing because a couple points I let the recoil come up a bit high. And a couple times I just wasn't paying attention to my hand placement and had my left under the trigger guard and had to correct.

Flame suit on. Lol.

Just be easy on me guys. I never grew up around guns and just got my first and into shooting around december

 

[chezuki]

Im about 6 foot 180lbs. Decent build. And as ive said. Never had a failure before today. I was thinking I was limp wristing because a couple points I let the recoil come up a bit high. And a couple times I just wasn't paying attention to my hand placement and had my left under the trigger guard and had to correct.

Flame suit on. Lol.

Just be easy on me guys. I never grew up around guns and just got my first and into shooting around december

No flames. You're learning and not afraid to admit it. I don't claim to be an expert or "trainer" by any means, but I have a pretty solid grasp on fundamentals. If you'd like, I'd be happy to meet up with you at MCFG sometime and help you with the basics. The best time build a solid foundation is now so you can practice the right techniques rather than have to unlearn the wrong techniques later.

 

[X piller X]

No flames. You're learning and not afraid to admit it. I don't claim to be an expert or "trainer" by any means, but I have a pretty solid grasp on fundamentals. If you'd like, I'd be happy to meet up with you at MCFG sometime and help you with the basics. The best time build a solid foundation is now so you can practice the right techniques rather than have to unlearn the wrong techniques later.

I dont know where mcfg is. I have been going to beech grove firearms and I like the range there a lot. Ive got the basics down just need more practice. Plus time and money really restrict me considering I go to school full time and work full time

Thanks for the offer though. Maybe one day ill take you up on it when time allows more this summer?

 

[dcat91]

Hmm. I highly doubt WWB would be light enough not to cycle. I'd lean more toward limp-wristing. I've never had an issue with my M&P's but my buddy was having a few FTE's with his so I let him try mine. Sure enough, he had the same issues with my pistol and his pistol ran flawlessly for me. He was a fairly new shooter without very solid fundamentals. I'd try and really focus on your grip and stance to make sure your body is absorbing the recoil rather than your wrists. Are you a small stature guy?

Its wwb, not the greatest ammo but its cheap and does the job. I've had multiple squibs and a lot of ftes with wwb, I used to buy it by the case when ammo was cheap so I've got a lot of expierence with it.

Sounds like limpwristing to me, but it could be ammo related, I had an issue very similar to his and it ended up being a bad batch of ammo.

 

[Spike_351]

Im about 6 foot 180lbs. Decent build. And as ive said. Never had a failure before today. I was thinking I was limp wristing because a couple points I let the recoil come up a bit high. And a couple times I just wasn't paying attention to my hand placement and had my left under the trigger guard and had to correct.

Flame suit on. Lol.

Just be easy on me guys. I never grew up around guns and just got my first and into shooting around december

eh, limp writing it is no big deal. Happens to all of us at first. It just takes practice. Plus if you didn't limp wrist it, you wouldn't have learned the lesson you speak of.

 

[jamil]

Limp wristing? Hey, he said it was an M&P, not a Glock. <grin/>

Seriously though, I'm not sure I would just call it limp wristing in the absence of a better known cause. You don't have to chaulk it up to anything. You can just file it away for later consumption in case you uncover more information later.

In your next range trip maybe try to reproduce it. Use the same ammo if you can. Also bring different ammo if you can. Intentionally limp wrist it if you can do so safely. If you can't reproduce it intentionally, it's okay to chalk one fte up to, **** happens.

 

[ViperJock]

I prefer a slingshot. Never had a FTE or FTF with mine.

Funny story. Well, it's funny now--not so much in the heat of CQB. So Im on DDF (donut delivery force) in the Sunni triangle escorting a caravan of smooth rocks, moon clips, and Krispy Kreme to the guys on the front lines when my convoy gets hit. No IEDs. I'm guessing their intel was good and they knew we had creme filled and they wanted to avoid damaging those. Anyway, I get out and put a tactical marble (DDF gets high end marbles vs the standard NATO smooth stones) in my "shot." I've got the fiber optic (I used to use a red dot but that's a whole new story) top site on a RBG (really bad guy) and I draw. Next thing you know one of the bands snaps and the marble hits me I the face. Turns out I nicked it on my Katana during fast draw. Lesson learned: all equipment can fail and keep the sword sheathed until it goes to hand to hand combat.

Totally unrelated topic, I have never had a fail of that nature with an M&P. I've experienced the Limp Wrist failure with a 1911 so often that I'm pretty much an expert at clearing them. On the other hand, thousands of rounds more than the 1911 through M&Ps (9&40) and never had a failure. Not saying it can't happen but...I wouldn't rule out other causes. Put some more rounds down range and focus on grip. If it happens again that will help diagnose the issue. If it doesn't, then hey IAG. (It's all good).

Seriously, do you guys know these ninja acronyms or do I need to explain them all?!?!

 

[cosermann]

Malf drills are something that should be practiced (if one has to think, one hasn't practiced enough).
Keep in mind there are failures that can't be fixed in a timely manner. This is one reason to carry a BUG.

Here's Clint's non-diagnostic approach: Pistol Malfunction Clearance - YouTube