Leaving gun in vehicle at work? Fired

[SaintsNSinners]

Once again I posted here

 

[stephen87]

Will you quit posting here?

 

[dansgotguns]

Nope

 

[indytechnerd]

So, I'm a little dense. Can someone please clarify again a few points?

Let's say I work where ever it is that dansgotguns works. One day, as I'm pulling in, building security asks to search my vehicle. I say "no". Fortunately, I hit the powerball the night before, so I really don't care about being employed, I'm only coming in to get my Opus and Bill coffee mug from my desk. [speculation]Security says to stay put, I'm being detained for 'suspicion of stolen property' and radios HR to come fire me. HR calls cops and comes to the gate to pinkslip me.[/speculation] Now, I'm fired, sitting at the entrance to the parking lot. Supposedly, I've stolen something, even though I just got there. Now, how exactly do they plan to detain me? If Security Guard Bob points a weapon at me, what are my options? Finally, 5-0 arrives, Security [holsters his weapon, and] tells 5-0 the situation. Is that probable cause enough for them to search without consent? Can I ask 5-0 to arrest Bob for pointing a firearm at me in a situation where it was not warranted?

Assume in this situation that my car is immaculate, no chance of stuff hiding under crap in my seats, and I am not carrying a weapon in my vehicle.

Step2: Substitute all references to me being an employee above with me being a delivery guy for Fastenal or something.

 

[stephen87]

Simple, they illegally detain you at gun point. When the 5-0 gets there, because the company pays hella taxes, the 5-0 bends over at the company's whim. Am I correct on my assumptions here?

 

[Dead Duck]

So, I'm a little dense. Can someone please clarify again a few points?

Let's say I work where ever it is that dansgotguns works. One day, as I'm pulling in, building security asks to search my vehicle. I say "no". Fortunately, I hit the powerball the night before, so I really don't care about being employed, I'm only coming in to get my Opus and Bill coffee mug from my desk. [speculation]Security says to stay put, I'm being detained for 'suspicion of stolen property' and radios HR to come fire me. HR calls cops and comes to the gate to pinkslip me.[/speculation] Now, I'm fired, sitting at the entrance to the parking lot. Supposedly, I've stolen something, even though I just got there. Now, how exactly do they plan to detain me? If Security Guard Bob points a weapon at me, what are my options? Finally, 5-0 arrives, Security [holsters his weapon, and] tells 5-0 the situation. Is that probable cause enough for them to search without consent? Can I ask 5-0 to arrest Bob for pointing a firearm at me in a situation where it was not warranted?

Assume in this situation that my car is immaculate, no chance of stuff hiding under crap in my seats, and I am not carrying a weapon in my vehicle.

Step2: Substitute all references to me being an employee above with me being a delivery guy for Fastenal or something.

If you'd just given back the stapler, none of this this would have happened.

 

[dansgotguns]

Simple, they illegally detain you at gun point. When the 5-0 gets there, because the company pays hella taxes, the 5-0 bends over at the company's whim. Am I correct on my assumptions here?

Bingo

 

[actaeon277]

Simple, they illegally detain you at gun point. When the 5-0 gets there, because the company pays hella taxes, the 5-0 bends over at the company's whim. Am I correct on my assumptions here?

No need to point a gun. The entrances form choke points. Barney Fifes will block them with their shiny vehicles. You will be trapped.

If you'd just given back the stapler, none of this this would have happened.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHHZBmF8mk4[/ame]

 

[HotD]

So, I'm a little dense. Can someone please clarify again a few points?

Let's say I work where ever it is that dansgotguns works. One day, as I'm pulling in, building security asks to search my vehicle. I say "no". Fortunately, I hit the powerball the night before, so I really don't care about being employed, I'm only coming in to get my Opus and Bill coffee mug from my desk. [speculation]Security says to stay put, I'm being detained for 'suspicion of stolen property' and radios HR to come fire me. HR calls cops and comes to the gate to pinkslip me.[/speculation] Now, I'm fired, sitting at the entrance to the parking lot. Supposedly, I've stolen something, even though I just got there. Now, how exactly do they plan to detain me? If Security Guard Bob points a weapon at me, what are my options? Finally, 5-0 arrives, Security [holsters his weapon, and] tells 5-0 the situation. Is that probable cause enough for them to search without consent? Can I ask 5-0 to arrest Bob for pointing a firearm at me in a situation where it was not warranted?

Assume in this situation that my car is immaculate, no chance of stuff hiding under crap in my seats, and I am not carrying a weapon in my vehicle.

Step2: Substitute all references to me being an employee above with me being a delivery guy for Fastenal or something.

1. I wouldn't get out of my car for some rent-a-schmuck.

2. If I am already fired, how am I being detained, and what is the point of sticking around for a coffee mug?

3. Furthermore, if he pointed a weapon at me, my car would be in drive and my foot be pressing down on the accelerator very hard. Of course, if I were armed, he might be deserving of a bit of reciprocity.

At that or any point, a 911 call to have security jerk-o arrested for felony violation of IC 35-47-4-3.

4. Probable cause for the police to conduct a search based upon hearsay? Chances are the police would impound the car based upon evidence presented, which then leads to a vehicle inventory in the impound lot.

 

[actaeon277]

1. I wouldn't get out of my car for some rent-a-schmuck. Then how did you quit? If you park in the lot, you must leave your car. If you go inside the plant there is this nice heavy security barrier and search point.

2. If I am already fired, how am I being detained, and what is the point of sticking around for a coffee mug? You are being detained the same way a store can stop you if they see you steal on camera.

3. Furthermore, if he pointed a weapon at me, my car would be in drive and my foot be pressing down on the accelerator very hard. Of course, if I were armed, he might be deserving of a bit of reciprocity. Your car is either blocked in by a security barrier, or blocked in by security cars at natural chockpoints.

At that or any point, a 911 call to have security jerk-o arrested for felony violation of IC 35-47-4-3.

Local PD come in. Ha Ha Ha Ha. I spilled my drink laughing. Local PD needs an escort to make sure they don't accidently get killed by moving machinery bigger than your house, and +2,900 degree metals.
The car the local PD is driving, was provided by said employer.
And once again, they are allowed to detain, same as a store is.

4. Probable cause for the police to conduct a search based upon hearsay? Chances are the police would impound the car based upon evidence presented, which then leads to a vehicle inventory in the impound lot.
They don't need probably cause. You came on their property. You had to go past checkpoints. You signed up for it as condition of employment. Till you leave the property.

 

[wolfy2]

And now my friends you see the far overreacting,and the stripping of constitutional rights that got this started. Don't know how some people sleep at night. How does having a job were you trample on the constitution make you feel? "Just a job" I pray I'm never put in this situation. And you what to protect yourself in one of the worst per capita crime areas in the country-too?

 

[SaintsNSinners]

Will you quit posting here?

I posted here again... That is all. I am not allowed to make any comments. In fact you didnt see me here. It was my chuck norris double

 

[Hanu]

you're smarter than most on this board. too many idiots out to prove a point.

There is a difference in proving a point and refusing to give up a constitutional right. I don't consider someone an idiot for exercising any of their rights. "Use it or lose it" applies to more than just your....um, (I don't want to say "manhood" because that would be presumptuous) capabilities.

 

[ReadnFool]

Not knowing the details it's hard to say for sure, but many integrated steel facilities have power generation capability ( used to recover heat and fuel value from the blast furnace gasses) and may fall under the power plant exemption. I would suggest that the easiest answer is to have any lawyer or paralegal draft a letter to the steel company citing the Indiana code # and asking which exemption they claim to fall under. Then we can argue about whether their claims are BS or not. I bet that they have a legal justification or someone who was fired would have succeeded in suing them by now. They have deep enough pockets. Good luck.

 

[actaeon277]

And doesn't a "Constitutional Right" pertain to a limitation on a government. Not a limitation on a citizen????

If you don't want a job where your vehicle gets searched, don't take a job where your vehicle gets searched.

 

[HotD]

And doesn't a "Constitutional Right" pertain to a limitation on a government. Not a limitation on a citizen????

If you don't want a job where your vehicle gets searched, don't take a job where your vehicle gets searched.

Well, kinda.

Rights are inherent to people. The same rights guaranteed within the Constitution, are also limitations upon government.

Otherwise, it would be perfectly legal for anyone but government to violate those rights.

 

[HotD]

Then how did you quit? If you park in the lot, you must leave your car. If you go inside the plant there is this nice heavy security barrier and search point.

Read the post again. The poster stated that HR was on their way to inform you that you are fired.

You are being detained the same way a store can stop you if they see you steal on camera.

So a grocery store security guard sees you steal a candy bar, and its justified him or her to hold you at gunpoint? Really? Sounds like a clear cut case of taking action to preserve your own life.

Your car is either blocked in by a security barrier, or blocked in by security cars at natural chockpoints.

Yeah, there are a lot of those that I've seen........I mean, other than high security complexes.

Local PD come in. Ha Ha Ha Ha. I spilled my drink laughing. Local PD needs an escort to make sure they don't accidently get killed by moving machinery bigger than your house, and +2,900 degree metals.

The car the local PD is driving, was provided by said employer. And once again, they are allowed to detain, same as a store is.

What are you talking about?

They don't need probably cause. You came on their property. You had to go past checkpoints. You signed up for it as condition of employment. Till you leave the property.

Great. They should be able to perform a cavity search too. Right? Furthermore, if you're already fired, the conditions of employment are now expired.

 

[dansgotguns]

Read the post again. The poster stated that HR was on their way to inform you that you are fired.


So a grocery store security guard sees you steal a candy bar, and its justified him or her to hold you at gunpoint? Really? Sounds like a clear cut case of taking action to preserve your own life.


Yeah, there are a lot of those that I've seen........I mean, other than high security complexes.


What are you talking about?


Great. They should be able to perform a cavity search too. Right? Furthermore, if you're already fired, the conditions of employment are now expired.

I stopped reading after security gusrd being able to detain someone for stealing. Whicj is a crime. Citizens arrest anyone?

 

[KW730]

I keep mine in the car... Someday when somebody walks in those doors with an assualt rifle, They'll thank me...

Surely you mean, "when somebody walks in those doors with a rifle." Not sure how the word assault got into your sentence but I took the liberty of fixing it for you.

 

[HotD]

Surely you mean, "when somebody walks in those doors with a rifle." Not sure how the word assault got into your sentence but I took the liberty of fixing it for you.

I took it to mean a machine gun.