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Legality of .223 AR15 pistol?
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CountryBoy19
Grandmaster
Also, before you build a pistol, be absolutely sure that the lower has never been configure as a rifle before. Most manufacturers will sell a pistol lower that has a letter certifying that the receiver was never built as a rifle. Once a rifle always a rifle, you can't make a rifle into a pistol. But here is where this gets sticky, I have heard that as long as it was built as a pistol first, it can have a long upper put on it, (no longer classifying as a pistol) but it can still revert to being a pistol. You just can't take a gun that was originally a rifle and make it into a pistol. So I would recommend having your lower transferred as a handgun on the 4473 and if possible, get a letter of certification that it wasn't built as a rifle prior to leaving the factory.
Just to be clear. A pistol can have any kind of upper on it. Just like a contender can have a 20" barrel if it pleases, it is still a pistol. NOW if you SBR your pistol (which does make it a rifle) and later want to declassify it, my understanding is that you can do so.
To my knowledge, length of barrel or type of upper a rifle does not make a rifle of a pistol. Only a butt-stock makes that change.
If you don't get it then well, you just don't get it.
He's asking about restrictions- restrictions as in what he can and can't do to it. Remember, AR15 pistols look funny with a buffer tube attached.
He's looking to convert one or build one I would guess- they are rare to buy as new.
So, you bought another type of rifle as a pistol. That was obviously an easy task but just keep in mind the OP is building one and really wants to stay on the right side of the law. That is all.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh Ok, well I didnt read the initial post close enough to pick up on wanting to convert a AR-15 to a pistol. I was thinking just shooting .223 out of a pistol. My fault, I didnt mean to sound like a dork.
INGunGuy
INGunGuy
redneckmedic
Grandmaster
Come on MODS, put this thing to rest already
What? You can't rep? Sheesh!
Redneck- what's the problem? Threads like this should stay open for future questions later on.
It's better to have a thread "Grow" if any more questions come up than to have 5 separate ones that are just slightly different from one another. Right? One-stop shopping?
redneckmedic
Grandmaster
Agreed...but this seems to be a revolving door.
CountryBoy19
Grandmaster
You can turn just about anything into a rifle legally (this would included SBR). But if something was built as a rifle originally, it can't be turned into a pistol.
palerider0485
Sharpshooter
ar pistols are pistols. so they are legal, just do not put a stock on them. then you have a short barreled rifle. i have shot alot of ar-15 pistols and have never been impressed. profession ordinances were junk, bushmaster bought them. they never figured it out. rocky mountain arms never functioned right. i have always seen problums with short barrels in the ar action..... of course someone is going to say they have one and it works great though........ the best .223 pistol i have shot is the kel-tec PLR beleave it or not. i would take it over any ar-15 pistol. it uses the ar mags but has a gas piston and functions way better.
You almost say that as if you believe pistols and short barreled rifles are not reliable and not from the pov that its just the ones you've fired that are poor quality. You get what you pay for. If you're like the typical fool that just has to have an AR and buys the cheapest thing possible, of course it won't function well.
Buy an old beat up porsche and tell me that porsches don't handle well.
The keltec functions way better? How many rounds had been through that keltec? I've seen them fail very very early. I was at the range once and a guy had nothing but problems. His exctractor insert was junk and not working. And yes of course, it's an ar15 bolt jammed into a frankengun. I've never owned an ar15 that wasn't 125% superior to any keltec.
Buy an old beat up porsche and tell me that porsches don't handle well.
The keltec functions way better? How many rounds had been through that keltec? I've seen them fail very very early. I was at the range once and a guy had nothing but problems. His exctractor insert was junk and not working. And yes of course, it's an ar15 bolt jammed into a frankengun. I've never owned an ar15 that wasn't 125% superior to any keltec.
Well said!
