LEO Question: Placing yourself in front of a vehicle during a stop

[hopper68]

Allegedly.

Ta'Kiya Young's family urges officer's arrest after video shows him killing the pregnant Black woman

Ta’Kiya Young’s family wants the police officer who fatally shot the pregnant Black woman to be charged.

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And the police allegedly shot her when she allegedly tried to drive over them. Not a lawyer, but I believe they had the right to detain her while performing an investigation.

 

[Denny347]

Allegedly.

Ta'Kiya Young's family urges officer's arrest after video shows him killing the pregnant Black woman

Ta’Kiya Young’s family wants the police officer who fatally shot the pregnant Black woman to be charged.

apnews.com

And I bet no one bothered to tell the officers on the scene until AFTER the incident.

 

[freekforge]

Whether she stole or not she made the bad decision to put the car in drive and her foot on the pedal. One person decided the outcome and it wasn't the cop. Horrible outcome that was 100% avoidable.

I've been accused of stealing before and it's easy to prove you didn't and it takes less than a minute.

 

[Sigblitz]

My life not being in danger, I would just get out of her way and file charges, and do a felony stop arrest. Screw the alcohol at this point.

 

[jkaetz]

Easy to arm chair quarterback this one. In reality I'm guessing the key points are that they had probable cause to detain her and that she tried to run one of them over. Another case where compliance would have ended the situation without tragedy. Unfortunately society is teaching people to fear police and resist/protest/etc... any time they don't "feel safe".

 

[Keith_Indy]

If we don’t recognize that mistakes are made then we don’t try to fix them. Driver should have froze when fight, flight, freeze instinct kicked in. Fear & panic will do that.

Cop should not have put himself in unnecessary jeopardy. Training deficiencies?

Expensive lessons to learn.

What if this is a pattern for this department? Could seem like baiting people?

IDK I was asking a specific question about procedures.

 

[KLB]

What if this is a pattern for this department? Could seem like baiting people?

Baiting by standing in front of the vehicle?

 

[Sigblitz]

Self defense is no other option. Legal, maybe. Required, no.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Self defense is no other option. Legal, maybe. Required, no.

No, it isn't. Unless you want to be a required to retreat state.

 

[Sigblitz]

Not trying to paint with a broad brush. I think in that situation, a petty theft, pick her up and graduate her to a felony. Just my armchair video commentary.

 

[xwing]

This crazy woman tried to run down the police officer. She got what she had coming. But of course all the liberals are crying and blaming the police, instead of the criminal.

 

[Sigblitz]

This crazy woman tried to run down the police officer. She got what she had coming. But of course all the liberals are crying and blaming the police, instead of the criminal.

You are correct. But what is the safest way to get out of danger when the car starts rolling? I guess the 2 tier approach works too. I can see doing everything possible to stop the threat. I just think stepping out of the way from a car about to take off is not a bad idea. So now there's no danger, and she's going to flee. And probably move to the Cayman islands.

 

[Denny347]

You are correct. But what is the safest way to get out of danger when the car starts rolling? I guess the 2 tier approach works too. I can see doing everything possible to stop the threat. I just think stepping out of the way from a car about to take off is not a bad idea. So now there's no danger, and she's going to flee. And probably move to the Cayman islands.

Sounds like a "duty to retreat"

 

[Ark]

You are correct. But what is the safest way to get out of danger when the car starts rolling? I guess the 2 tier approach works too. I can see doing everything possible to stop the threat. I just think stepping out of the way from a car about to take off is not a bad idea. So now there's no danger, and she's going to flee. And probably move to the Cayman islands.

So, duty to retreat?

 

[hopper68]

Ok, let us just say the officer stepped aside and she drove off. They may have a plate but what if the car is stolen? Do they give pursuit? What about the dangers of a high speed chase? What if she flies out of there, even though not being pursued, and causes a fatal accident? Would the same people crying they should have let her go be crying they should have tried harder to stop her? Wait and pick her up at home? Like they did at Ruby Ridge?

Sounds like a no win situation.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Ok, let us just say the officer stepped aside and she drove off. They may have a plate but what if the car is stolen? Do they give pursuit? What about the dangers of a high speed chase? What if she flies out of there, even though not being pursued, and causes a fatal accident? Would the same people crying they should have let her go be crying they should have tried harder to stop her? Wait and pick her up at home? Like they did at Ruby Ridge?

Sounds like a no win situation.

Of course it is. Then people whine the 'police won't do their jobs'. That's the way you want it, that's the way you get it. Case law even supports it. The government interest in detaining someone for theft is pretty low on the scale of things society cares about and is getting lower. INGO runs the gamut from hang thieves to mail them directions to the jail and a court date and if they don't show, that's cool. Society is moving more and more to the second.

 

[xwing]

Of course it is. Then people whine the 'police won't do their jobs'. That's the way you want it, that's the way you get it. Case law even supports it. The government interest in detaining someone for theft is pretty low on the scale of things society cares about and is getting lower. INGO runs the gamut from hang thieves to mail them directions to the jail and a court date and if they don't show, that's cool. Society is moving more and more to the second.

I prefer "hang thieves". If you like taking things that aren't yours, you are of no use to society, and we'd all be better off with you not there.

 

[Sigblitz]

Did anyone mention duty to retreat.

Ok, let us just say the officer stepped aside and she drove off. They may have a plate but what if the car is stolen? Do they give pursuit? What about the dangers of a high speed chase? What if she flies out of there, even though not being pursued, and causes a fatal accident? Would the same people crying they should have let her go be crying they should have tried harder to stop her? Wait and pick her up at home? Like they did at Ruby Ridge?

Sounds like a no win situation.

Yeah I thought of that too.
I didn't think of giving them directions to the jail. They should put a map on the back of a business card.

 

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[Sigblitz]

Oh d@m, she was driving right through him. Good shoot IMHO.
That's a better perspective than the body camera.

The body cam footage had the snow plowing trimmed out.