These things aren't really in the President's baliwick are they? It's Congress that screwed up healthcare and the tax code, and the onus is on them to fix it, not the President.
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Licensing for the 2nd Amendment is bad, but for the 1st?
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These things aren't really in the President's baliwick are they? It's Congress that screwed up healthcare and the tax code, and the onus is on them to fix it, not the President.
I thought Trump was the great dealmaker, negotiator. The last president was actively involved in getting Obamacare passed. This one doesn't seem to give a flying **** and seems to be content watching his campaign promises go down in smoke as long as he has someone to blame for it.
I want Obamacare gutted and I expect the president, who promised to do that, to work at least as hard to get it gone as Obama did to get that abomination passed. Yes, Congress is to blame but so is the president to the extent that he put little effort to help reach a deal.
I want Obamacare gutted and I expect the president, who promised to do that, to work at least as hard to get it gone as Obama did to get that abomination passed. Yes, Congress is to blame but so is the president to the extent that he put little effort to help reach a deal.
First . . . thank you for your service.
Second . . . I've highlighted your last point. The POTUS knows he cannot revoke licenses that do not exist. It certainly got all their panties in giant wads giving them apoplexy. They took the bait. Fake retribution threats in response to fake news. I can imagine he's sitting back doing a ROTFLMFAO somewhere in the White House. It's apparently caused some stir here. In the meantime he's rolled back several things to push back on Congress telling them to get to work and do something. He's unconventional. Something that shouldn't be surprising given his POTUS campaign.
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But the bottom line is, all any President can do is cheer from the sidelines and hope his "team" wins. He can't make them win if they don't want even want to play. Obama had the majority party in both houses, but the difference is, his team played. All these RINOs should be relegated to water boys and get some real players in there to take their place.
The problem is that when you are against the guy you have to blame everything on him. Some think his every word is policy when he actually doesn't have the support to get the important things that they want done and do not think that their lack of support hurts their chances of getting those things done.
He has a magic wand and mind control and when he speaks the FCC revokes licensing immediately, but it doesn't work on congress because they all have Jedi powers.
The question was asked "If he had the power", well, if the power had been granted to him by the Constitution you would be in favor of his Constitutional power, RIGHT? Just like you were for the travel ban, whis one of his enumerated powers. Your question is framed in fantasy, "he does not have that power" and just saying that they should have their broadcast licenses revoked is rhetoric and should be taken as the barb it was meant to be.
If you call lying to the American public 'actively involved' than yes, Obama was more actively involved than Trump is on healthcare.
Obama worked with his party to get everyone to play along, and he got enough republican votes to help see it through. Trump has shown nothing approaching that level of coordination and influence in getting the ACA repealed. And he enjoys a bigger house majority than Obama ever did.
It seems the sycophants believe Trump is playing this masterful game of bait and switch. Let's take a step back, though. What has he accomplished with his political wizardry? Remember, he has both houses of Congress and a friendly SCOTUS. I would think such a mastermind would have something to show for all his cunning.
Or could it be he's just not doing a very good job living up to his promises? Maybe he never meant them. It's easy just to lash out and blame someone else for your failures. Much easier than honoring a promise, in fact.
Maybe if Trump is incapable of getting anything done, we should repeal the first amendment to help him out.
Rush Limbaugh described this years ago on his television show.
"Demonstrate absurdity by being absurd."
Take a stupid position to it's logical conclusion.
Trump seems to be a master at pulling other peoples chains.
I think he even gets a kick out of it.
"Demonstrate absurdity by being absurd."
Take a stupid position to it's logical conclusion.
Trump seems to be a master at pulling other peoples chains.
I think he even gets a kick out of it.
Which is great, for a radio host.
Woobie, I'm not sure you should blame Trump, or that Trump should not blame congress, when the reason for the failure to repeal the ACA is 'republicans' in congress. Those people campaigned relentlessly on the need to repeal the ACA, always "give us just a little more power (the house, the senate, the presidency etc) and we'll get it done." Well, we gave them that power and they couldn't get it done. I fail to see how Trump could have compromised with any in his own party without moving to something short of full repeal and keeping the abomination alive. Repeal is pretty dichotomous. Trump was ready to sign most any bill that would repeal it, Pence was ready to break any tie. I just don't see how they could have been involved in any of the traditional lobbying/deal sweetening that you seem to be thinking of without backing away from full repeal. And make no mistake, these people weren't thinking about what was best for the country or their constituents - they were thinking what would be best to preserve their cushy jobs. If that's not true then they were lying the whole time they joined the hue and cry to repeal the ACA
It is true that Trump is responsible for his frosty relations with some in congress from his own party, but I hold up the Gorsuch appointment as example of what can be accomplished when they all pull together. In that case all parties wanted another conservative on the court and Trump delivered an appropriate nominee. Had either part of the process failed to deliver what was needed it would not have worked
So which part of the process can write an ACA repeal but failed to deliver. The president can't sign what never makes it to his desk. The lion's share of the blame lies with congress/weak republicans
My point was more in line with this thread. He shares in the blame for the failures. So he blames the media (and they certainly have been tireless in giving him bad press), and used that as an excuse to take action against them. Not only is that an overreach, it is Obama-level petty.
Your description of a lack of opportunity for compromise lacks nuance. You don't have to compromise on the repeal, compromise on something else. Promise to back off on the wall, for example. Come on, where is the Art of the Deal? Johnson would have figured it out. Obama figured out how to enact it, a much more daunting undertaking. Congressional Republicans bear more blame than Trump, but Trump could help himself. What doesn't bear any blame is freedom of the press. And he deserves every word of scorn he gets on this.
Oh, and good for Trump. He got a highly qualified SCOTUS nominee through a friendly Senate. A truly earth shattering accomplishment for a President. The fact that this is the example of Trump's greatest co-operative achievement with the Legislative branch speaks volumes.
Your description of a lack of opportunity for compromise lacks nuance. You don't have to compromise on the repeal, compromise on something else. Promise to back off on the wall, for example. Come on, where is the Art of the Deal? Johnson would have figured it out. Obama figured out how to enact it, a much more daunting undertaking. Congressional Republicans bear more blame than Trump, but Trump could help himself. What doesn't bear any blame is freedom of the press. And he deserves every word of scorn he gets on this.
Oh, and good for Trump. He got a highly qualified SCOTUS nominee through a friendly Senate. A truly earth shattering accomplishment for a President. The fact that this is the example of Trump's greatest co-operative achievement with the Legislative branch speaks volumes.
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Ronald Reagan got tax reform even though he didn’t have both houses. He led. It was obvious to everyone it was his deal. I haven’t seen Trump leading on any major legislation, i suspect so that he doesn’t put himself out there on the line in case it fails. He needs to be able to hide behind Republican incompetence.
But, I do agree that Republicans, specifically Paul Ryan, share in most of the blame. I wouldn’t call it the lion’s share though. Republicans are not a monolith, at least not anywhere near the extent to which Democrats are. There are vulnerable Republicans in swing states where Obamacare is very popular. The “Republicans is evil” meme plays strong in this as well. Which is an area the President is not helping.
That is exactly the sort of thing that most disgusts the people that sent him to the white house. An issue should live and die on its merits, not on some sleazy backscratching deal involving other issues that should stand or fall on their merits
If the weak republicans cannot make the case that the issue should fail because it will be bad for (all) their constituents or for the country, then they should be seen as what they are - self-serving. Once their true colors are on display (IMO what they fear the most) hopefully retribution will be exacted at the polls
What if Trump made that sleazy compromise on the suppressor bill, you know "back off" on that? I assume you would be all over his ass.
What I see time and again is people (not necessarily you, Woobie) failing to give credence to the idea that there will be some folks, republican and conservative both, for whom the wall and border control or tax reform will be more important than restoring your right to put cans on your firearms. These people would feel just as betrayed by your posited little dirty deal as you would feel with the one I used as an example
I for one don't approve of government via betrayal
What I see time and again is people (not necessarily you, Woobie) failing to give credence to the idea that there will be some folks, republican and conservative both, for whom the wall and border control or tax reform will be more important than restoring your right to put cans on your firearms. These people would feel just as betrayed by your posited little dirty deal as you would feel with the one I used as an example
I for one don't approve of government via betrayal
There are good compromises and bad compromises. In a nation of diverse opinions and ideologies, not everyone can have everything they want. In most negotiations people have some reasonable things they're willing to give on and they have some things they will absolutely not give on. If no one will give on anything, then the thing that will happen, is that the side which has enough votes to get EVERYTHING they want, will get EVERYTHING they want. That's just the reality of diversity. If you want homogeneity, you'll need either to kick out, or kill off, everyone who isn't exactly like you. Everyone else is a "me" too.
The point you may be missing is rooted in that diversity of opinion you mention. What to you are reasonable things you are willing to compromise on (and by extension that you think I should be, too) might just be my "Not one inch" issue. I gather you use the left's definition of compromise?
It is Unfettered 2nd Amendment and Border Control and Tax Reform and Drain the Swamp. Not a single conditional conjunction in the bunch
40% of the electorate is only enough to guarantee negative outcomes. But if we can hold together we can make a convincing case that any republican who isn't with us will have to find a real job in 2018 and again in 2020
If the only thing that gets through to them is concerns about being pushed away from the trough, we can arrange that
One of us is overestimating the power those we support have to affect the outcome of events. Quite possibly it's me, but I and the folks of like mind will certainly attempt to use the power that we have as we see it as perhaps the only chance to right the ship of state (no matter how disorganized the process appears)
Maybe it will be a squib, maybe November 2018 will be a bloodbath. You might want to prepare for the worst
ETA: You might notice Kasich's internal polling has caused him to give up on a senate run already, that he is joining Joe Scarborough in burning his 'Taft card'. His only political mention is for the ridiculous Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket (from what party is not clear, Dems would be the best fit)
He is circling the drain, due in part to the efforts of like minded individuals such as myself. Good riddance
Maybe it will be a squib, maybe November 2018 will be a bloodbath. You might want to prepare for the worst
ETA: You might notice Kasich's internal polling has caused him to give up on a senate run already, that he is joining Joe Scarborough in burning his 'Taft card'. His only political mention is for the ridiculous Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket (from what party is not clear, Dems would be the best fit)
He is circling the drain, due in part to the efforts of like minded individuals such as myself. Good riddance
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