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Lilly eliminating 3,500 jobs as part of cost-cutting plan
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If there is competition or an alternative or a generic, why not?
Why support a company that has went out of their way to take an opposing political view?
I wonder if other's "vote" with their $'s?
There may be more than you think...
Oh look, here's one from the last "cost cutting." :
I didn't do much research into Lilly's politics, they pushed the issue themselves. The news reported Lilly's participation in trashing our state law. Most businesses smartly stayed out of the religious argument. At least those that cared about their customer base.
I am fortunate to not be on any meds. If I were, with a choice, I'd certainly make brand decisions with Lilly's actions in mind.
I don't have any problem with RFRA. It's Lilly that does.
Keywords: "not very many." That actually means something.
olhorseman
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My wife worked at Lilly and her area went through restructuring last year. In the process her job was basically eliminated. She had many offers to work elsewhere within Lilly. However, since her position was eliminated she was eligible for a severance package. She was already planning on retiring and only had to work one month past her planned retirement date to receive the severance package (14 months of pay).
On a side note, one of the Lilly stories was Colonel Eli Lilly was once asked how many people work at Lilly to which he replied "About half of them". According to my wife he was being very generous with that estimate.
On a side note, one of the Lilly stories was Colonel Eli Lilly was once asked how many people work at Lilly to which he replied "About half of them". According to my wife he was being very generous with that estimate.
Had dinner last night with a Lilly employee who is involved in this deal. He was planning on retiring very soon and will now work a few more months to get the package. Increased pension, increased company contribution to health care, and a chunk of cash. He got an "invitation" to sign up for the deal. It was a no-brainer.
No doubt there are, but...when you`ve been at a place for 30 years, and see it slowly evolve from a place that truly cared about it`s employees, then that genuine care and concern turned to empty lip service...well, it kind of makes you bitter. Never mind that they are anti-Second Amendment, and openly embrace perversion...sad, sad, sad...
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The blame would be that it was engineered from its earliest beginnings to end up exactly where it ended up, doing the exact opposite of what it was sold as doing such that the GOP could deliver to Lilly and Cummins exactly what they wanted while looking at the conservative voter all sad faced saying, 'well, we did everything we could'.
Fight that it was, it was still a win. A win that arguably helped propel Trump/Pence to victory. A lot of the sentiment and silliness surrounding the whole deal prompted voters to do what they did in November 2016. The libs are still whining about RFRA.
in your opinion I recon. The FACT is, NO ONE should be forced to surrender their values at anytime, even in the business world. If I`m driven by a deeply held belief to NOT participate in something, it`s my right to not be compelled to do that. Period.
I didn't care much for Lilly once it went from family owned to publicly traded.
They cared more about appearing to be diverse, went overboard on their "consulting pairs" program, as I think about it now they were seemingly teaching white guilt while many middle aged white guys like myself with many years of experience taught a whole lot of people how to do the jobs they were hired to do, but weren't really qualified.
I didn't look at the place as a drug company, I am an IT guy... so all I see is computers, networks, shares, files etc. Once I got the boot, I reflected back at a lot of the lawsuits, number of suicides committed by people taking the products and realize that I was actually happy that I no longer worked there. To me it was a salary, good benefits and big bonuses.
These days, I see them pretending to care about veterans when back in the day they could care less. They tried to can a friend of mine when I got let go, but he volunteered for a deployment (here in the state lol) and they couldn't touch him. Now he's forced them into supporting veterans that work there and has done rather well for himself since.
For those who know Papa Roux, he and I used to work together at Lilly. He didn't like the changes he saw coming and decided to open a restaurant... the rest is history.
They cared more about appearing to be diverse, went overboard on their "consulting pairs" program, as I think about it now they were seemingly teaching white guilt while many middle aged white guys like myself with many years of experience taught a whole lot of people how to do the jobs they were hired to do, but weren't really qualified.
I didn't look at the place as a drug company, I am an IT guy... so all I see is computers, networks, shares, files etc. Once I got the boot, I reflected back at a lot of the lawsuits, number of suicides committed by people taking the products and realize that I was actually happy that I no longer worked there. To me it was a salary, good benefits and big bonuses.
These days, I see them pretending to care about veterans when back in the day they could care less. They tried to can a friend of mine when I got let go, but he volunteered for a deployment (here in the state lol) and they couldn't touch him. Now he's forced them into supporting veterans that work there and has done rather well for himself since.
For those who know Papa Roux, he and I used to work together at Lilly. He didn't like the changes he saw coming and decided to open a restaurant... the rest is history.
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No opinion about it . I had a friend primaried out of the legislature over this sh*t with Lilly and Cummins being the primary source of the demand and the money for the job. I would also point out that it was an act of sheer vindictiveness given that they didn't need the vote to get done what they set out to do. The original RFRA would have been a good law, i.e., not allowing the baker to get sued out of everything he had ever worked for over refusing to violate his conscience. RFRA 2.0 not only eliminated this protection but also made homosexuals a protected class under Indiana law. The process was to pass a law that would start a sh*tstorm so they could get to RFRA 2.0 while still pretending to be conservative in order to appease their voters. This is also the reason why so far as I am concerned that worthless GDMFSB of a governor of ours can drop dead and go straight to Hell.
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Is it also an opinion that I saw that the sun came up this morning?
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You would think of that.
Seriously, I find it irritating that I watched that debacle unfold over a long period of time before it ever became public, saw the political dirty tricks that went both into the legislative process itself and into clearing the path for that legislative process, and the net results we were left with which all told make the situation worse than it had been before so far as the ostensible purpose is concerned, and then to be told that events I saw are matters of my opinion. Events which either did nor did not happen are not maters of opinion.
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There is only competition once a drug can be cloned into generics. Once it can, most insurance today will pretty much force you to get the generic.If there is competition or an alternative or a generic, why not?
Why support a company that has went out of their way to take an opposing political view?
I wonder if other's "vote" with their $'s?
There may be more than you think...
You do realize that a drug company that creates a drug has exclusive right to produce that drug for 20 years, don't you? In reality it is a bit less than that, since the clock starts when they apply for a patent not when it is approved by the FDA.
I don't know that I ever have known who produced a drug I was prescribed.
I wouldn't pick a drug based on anything but its efficacy for my condition, but there is competition for various areas of treatment, they just can't use the same molecule, etc
For example, Viagra and Cialis are both ED drugs but are different molecules and work differently. There are other examples. It does not have to be a generic or patent expired for there to be competition. Again, I'd judge the medicine on its effectiveness, etc but wanted to make the point that there is competition.
Wonder how much a prescribing Dr. can sway that sort of thing?
Hypothetical - Maybe our own HoosierDoc doesn't care for Lilly's political meddling. Does it affect his prognosis/treatment when there are alternatives?
