local unemployment office

[eachitandi]

I had to make a quick visit to the local unemployment office today. As I was about to walk through the door the "no guns" sign caught my eye. Correct me if I'm wrong, but seeing how that is a state office (public) and not on the states "gun free zone" list, is that sign not worth less than the paper it's printed on?
Now...the office in question is part of a larger building with many businesses all on the same property, so I'm assuming the state is leasing the space, and there are no signs anywhere else on the property or any of the other store fronts. So I'm assuming it's the policy of that particular office and not the property owner...
Am I missing something?

 

[Sylvain]

Where is this office located?

 

[eachitandi]

Plymouth

 

[Sylvain]

Is there a courthouse in the same building?

 

[eachitandi]

No. And it's a square building with each business's entrance from the outside.

 

[wtburnette]

I would assume that would be like any other facility posting one of those signs, which means their only recourse is to ask you to leave, if they seen your gun and charge you with trespassing if you refuse

 

[AA&E]

I would assume that would be like any other facility posting one of those signs, which means their only recourse is to ask you to leave, if they seen your gun and charge you with trespassing if you refuse

But this is a government office, wouldn't it be covered under the preemptive law act which stops lower government officials from attempting to subvert legally held rights passed by the state?

Anyone??

 

[eachitandi]

But this is a government office, wouldn't it be covered under the preemptive law act which stops lower government officials from attempting to subvert legally held rights passed by the state?

Anyone??

That's what I was eluding to...

 

[TaunTaun]

I say go ahead and OC. When they ask you to leave, you can ask them if a political unit of the state of Indiana is prepared to write you a fat check for them violating their own laws....

 

[churchmouse]

But this is a government office, wouldn't it be covered under the preemptive law act which stops lower government officials from attempting to subvert legally held rights passed by the state?

Anyone??

Guns are not allowed in any of the Stae buildings in Indy. They screen you at the door. I would assume this plays out across the board.

 

[churchmouse]

I say go ahead and OC. When they ask you to leave, you can ask them if a political unit of the state of Indiana is prepared to write you a fat check for them violating their own laws....

Luck with that one. It will not end well for you if you do.
I do not like it at all but it is the way of things. We are on the teetering point in this country with 2A rights. Not sure where this will end up. Obummer just put 6 to 9 million more Liberals on the voting roles last night. That was his agenda from the start.

 

[eldirector]

State offices are not covered under the firearms preemption law. Just local governments. So, State departments may make whatever rules they want.

 

[rhino]

State offices are not covered under the firearms preemption law. Just local governments. So, State departments may make whatever rules they want.

Which is stupid.

 

[BiscuitNaBasket]

Which is stupid.

 

[eachitandi]

State offices are not covered under the firearms preemption law. Just local governments. So, State departments may make whatever rules they want.

Ok, then does the sign carry any weight of law (like a specific gun free zone enforced by state law) or is it the same as a private business that puts one of those signs in their window?

 

[TaunTaun]

We need someone to volunteer for this to help establish case law precedent....

 

[Joniki]

We need someone to volunteer for this to help establish case law precedent....

I nominate you.

 

[TaunTaun]

I've OC'd into quite a few State offices....I have not had a single issue. Of course, I wasn't looking to make it an issue, I merely OC'd like I always do.

Funny how that when you OC and walk around normally like nothing is wrong, people don't scream and run away. Most of the ones that DO notice, you have a nice conversation with.

OC'd at the BMV
OC'd at the Unemployment Office (they had a no firearms warning posted as well in Elkhart)
OC'd at Potato Creek State Park
OC'd at Brown County State Park


That's just what I remember off the top of my head. I'll continue to look for opportunities for new places to OC.

 

[HoughMade]

I say go ahead and OC. When they ask you to leave, you can ask them if a political unit of the state of Indiana is prepared to write you a fat check for them violating their own laws....

That easy, huh?

 

[eldirector]

Which is stupid.

Calling the "State" stupid is rather redundant, don't you think?

@TaunTaun
State departments are free to make/enforce their own policies. They don't have the SAME policies. The DNR is notably pro-firearms. The BMV is silent on the issue. Unemployment offices seems to be against (enforcement not withstanding).

I recall one of our reps or senators looking to correct this oversight. I'll have to watch the next session.