long shot

[movevio]

i have been wanting to buy another long distance shooter that i can push to 750+ yards. been thinking maybe a .308 or 7mm just wanting some input from anyone who shoots these distances often. oh yeah and before everyone chimes in that the .22 is the best long distance gun if only i knew how to aim i don't need your help.

 

[bstewrat3]

I am pretty happy with my 27" 1-8" twist T/C Encore in 6mm Remington shooting 105gr Hornady A-Max. I have taken it to 750+ over the border in Illinois with much success on steel plates.

 

[samrothstein01]

I cannot speak for the 7mm, but my personal opinion and experience is that you cannot go wrong with a 308. It is long, accurate, reliable, easily obtainable, and a fair number of choices at reasonable costs to suit your style and needs. The 7mm may be all of the above as well, I have never really looked into them. (No need to after going with a 308.) I just happen to be very fond of 308 and think it is a solid choice....for what its worth.

 

[42769vette]

do you reload? if so i know im dieing to get a 6.5x284

 

[samrothstein01]

Also, it may be worth checking some ballistics tables out....I know with 308 you are going to lose some velocity to the 7mm, but you will also lose some lbs of energy by going with the 7mm. Is this 750 + yrd shot for hunting, plinking, competition? It all depends on what end result you are after....but I would imagine either of these would be a good choice.

 

[standeford]

The BC of the 7mm VLDs and the velocities they can be pushed to in short action chamberings, is hard to argue with.

 

[Marc]

I cannot speak for the 7mm, but my personal opinion and experience is that you cannot go wrong with a 308. It is long, accurate, reliable, easily obtainable, and a fair number of choices at reasonable costs to suit your style and needs. The 7mm may be all of the above as well, I have never really looked into them. (No need to after going with a 308.) I just happen to be very fond of 308 and think it is a solid choice....for what its worth.

i love my 308 its a deadly beast she touches 830 yds all day long. out of the box. its a remington 700 vtr im not a fan of the triangle barrel (tactical fluting is what remington calls it) but none the less its a lovely rife

 

[Redskinsfan]

agreed

do you reload? if so i know im dieing to get a 6.5x284

That too is my suggestion. I don't own one but my number one shooting buddy does. He has the Savage F class target rifle, it is very nice.

Terry

 

[smokingman]

For me long range means 270 Winchester.Here is why. Zero a 270 win at 100 yards 2.5 inches high and at 300 yards your drop is 3 inches. So for any shot out to 300 yards I am not making any adjustments. Compare that with a 308 if it is dead on at 100 yards, 200 yards it would drop -4.9 inches, at 300 yards it would be -19.5 inches
An article on the 270 win at long range by Chuck Hawks.
Ultra-Long Range Rifles
Also at 1000 yards a 270 win is still over 1000 fps.There are a FEW rounds for a 308 that can manage this in tight barrels but not many.
Do not take my word for it.Check here...Remington.com - Products - Ammunition - Ballistics
Compare a 308 to a 270win. You will see the 270 win always wins on bullet drop and energy to target. At 500 yards the 270 has 1243 fps the 308 1176. The drop at 500 for the 270 win is 37.7 vs 50.1 for the 308.
The only reason for a 308 over 270 Winchester was for years there where no very high quality loads for 270 win,that has changed.I love my 270 win

 

[fireball168]

First, to the original poster - its probably time to snuggle up with some ballistic charts and load data and figure out how much energy you need to be delivering at range.

If you've got EXCEL I'll email you a nifty ballistics calculator.

For me long range means 270 Winchester.

Zero a 270 win at 100 yards 2.5 inches high and at 300 yards your drop is 3 inches. So for any shot out to 300 yards I am not making any adjustments.

Compare that with a 308 if it is dead on at 100 yards, 200 yards it would drop -4.9 inches, at 300 yards it would be -19.5 inches

How about we do this. We'll take the same weight bullet from one manufacturer - Sierra and 150 grains.

Yes, there are more efficient projectiles and potential better choices for each - but lets just level the playing field a bit.

The 308 can send it 2800 fps based on Sierra data, its sporting a B/C of .417.

The 270 can send it 3000 fps based on Sierra data, its sporting a B/C of .483.

At 300 yards, the 308 has dropped a total of 23.5".

At 300 yards, the 270 has dropped a total of 19.9".

That's a 3.6" difference between the two in 300 yards.

But that 270 is burning a little more powder than that cute little 308 case.

So lets compare it to the 30-06.

The 30-06 can send that same 150 grain bullet at 3000 fps - just like the 270.

At 300 yards, the 30-06 has dropped a total of 20.3".

That's .4" of a difference between it and the 270.

At 500 yards, the gap has widened to 2.3" between the two.

 

[smokingman]

First, to the original poster - its probably time to snuggle up with some ballistic charts and load data and figure out how much energy you need to be delivering at range.

If you've got EXCEL I'll email you a nifty ballistics calculator.




How about we do this. We'll take the same weight bullet from one manufacturer - Sierra and 150 grains.

Yes, there are more efficient projectiles and potential better choices for each - but lets just level the playing field a bit.

The 308 can send it 2800 fps based on Sierra data, its sporting a B/C of .417.

The 270 can send it 3000 fps based on Sierra data, its sporting a B/C of .483.

At 300 yards, the 308 has dropped a total of 23.5".

At 300 yards, the 270 has dropped a total of 19.9".

That's a 3.6" difference between the two in 300 yards.

But that 270 is burning a little more powder than that cute little 308 case.

So lets compare it to the 30-06.

The 30-06 can send that same 150 grain bullet at 3000 fps - just like the 270.

At 300 yards, the 30-06 has dropped a total of 20.3".

That's .4" of a difference between it and the 270.

At 500 yards, the gap has widened to 2.3" between the two.

So you are supporting my 270 win ? Look at the results at 750 yards,this is the range the poster was asking about.
308 ---------- 270--------- 30-06
1464 fps---- 1756fps----- 1598fps
715 ftlbs---- 1026 ftlbs--- 850ftlbs
196.3 drop- 157 drop----- 169 drop
270 wins on fps,ftlbs,and drop.And wins using the 150 grain,using the 130 grain it would dominate even more.I think the 270 win is superior,others will not agree. I know 308 is more popular for long range shooting,but this is due to it being a military cartridge not a better one(and for a very long time you could not get match grade quality in .277 now you can).
I am just offering my opinion to the poster.

 

[Marc]

but then why does the military use the .308? (not trying to sound like a smartass) something else i have been told is that the 30-06 is basically a .308 magnum like comparing 38spc to .357 and 44spc to 44mag and so on for the 45acp and 45long colt.

 

[smokingman]

but then why does the military use the .308? (not trying to sound like a smartass) something else i have been told is that the 30-06 is basically a .308 magnum like comparing 38spc to .357 and 44spc to 44mag and so on for the 45acp and 45long colt.

Because when the decided to retire the 30-06 Remington had more favor with the military than Winchester(and more political power).It also did not hurt the 7.62x51 that NATO accepted it,if only because the USA wanted it.There where never any test of 270 win as a military round. Politics won for the 308 not ability.I am not saying 308 is a bad round(or 7.62x51),but if you test both rounds(or look at the ballistics)the 270 win will beat the 308 with a like rifle and shooter. Then why does next to no one use them in competition? Because for a very long time you could not get match grade components or rifles(and even now a match grade 270 win is rare).Even if the military knew there was a better round they could not change(or only very very slowly).They would even need NATO approval to accept a new standard round,it is in the Nato charter.So in short the military accepted it because of politics and still uses it for the same reason.
Kind of like the 5.56. There are better rounds,but I seriously doubt it will change int he next 20 years.

 

[Marc]

ahhh thanks for the info. alittle bit more knowledge for my mental vault.

 

[fireball168]

So you are supporting my 270 win ?

That post was a polite way of pointing out the inconsistencies between your cartridge comparison.

If the OP cuddles up with some loading data, an available projectile list and a ballistic chart - it likely won't take them long to figure it out why the 6.5-06 and 280 Remington have gained popularity over the 270 W, particularly outside of the hunting circles.

 

[42769vette]

That too is my suggestion. I don't own one but my number one shooting buddy does. He has the Savage F class target rifle, it is very nice.

Terry

thats the rifle i really want

 

[IndyGunworks]

thats the rifle i really want

and a GREAT out of the box rifle to boot

 

[smokingman]

That post was a polite way of pointing out the inconsistencies between your cartridge comparison.

If the OP cuddles up with some loading data, an available projectile list and a ballistic chart - it likely won't take them long to figure it out why the 6.5-06 and 280 Remington have gained popularity over the 270 W, particularly outside of the hunting circles.

6.5-06 is probably on of the best rounds for match shooting out to 1000 yards. But at 300-800 times the cost of a decent 270 win.I have even considered purchasing one,but for general use at ranges out to 800 yards you would be hard pressed to beat 270 win. And unless they are match shooting very few shots are actually taken past 400 yards(the 270 win can easily take a deer at that range). But yes I will agree the 6.5 is a great round,with some very high quality rifles.