Louisiana GOP violently resists a transfer of power

[ATOMonkey]

Third party doesn't seem to be all that successful either.

I see limited options for change using the ballot box. Do you have any suggestions that don't ignore basic human behavior and a 200 year history?

Education. The real kind, not the Federally approved indoctrination kind.

 

[Expat]

Education. The real kind, not the Federally approved indoctrination kind.

I think you missed the qualifiers. Suggesting real education would run counter to what seems to be current human behavior and our country's educational history since at least the 50's. We have been on a decline since we began to get in touch with our feelings in the 60's. We have abandoned all and any education to the socialist teachers' unions. Then we wonder why they are being taught socialism and radical libtardism.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I think you missed the qualifiers. Suggesting real education would run counter to what seems to be current human behavior and our country's educational history since at least the 50's. We have been on a decline since we began to get in touch with our feelings in the 60's. We have abandoned all and any education to the socialist teachers' unions. Then we wonder why they are being taught socialism and radical libtardism.

I think you got the wrong Century. If you want to find the root of the problem you need to go back to the 1860s.

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

You'll have to talk to Dr. Paul. He is aware that his supporters are resorting to desperation tactics. He wants to save his say in Tampa and it is now looking that his say may just be yet another mass e-mailing.

Agreed. Only the truly desperate would think that electing a chairman as per convention rules would get them anywhere.

 

[Boiled Owl]

There are groups of "professions" whose livelihoods + (graft?) depend on a big complicated government. When someone such as a Ron Paul speaks of scaling back government, it is in the best interest of these professionals to talk down this effort. No matter the audience.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

There are groups of "professions" whose livelihoods + (graft?) depend on a big complicated government.

Rent seekers.

Rent-seeking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Boiled Owl]

Precisely

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[RockofStrength]

I think you got the wrong Century. If you want to find the root of the problem you need to go back to the 1860s.

Indeed. Specifically, look at Horace Mann's wonderful contribution to our glorious public indoctrination system.

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

Does Ron Paul want his supporters to cool it? - CSMonitor.com

Maybe the fascist Establishment should cool it.

I think this is a "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" type issue... Some of the stuff that happens at the state conventions doesn't make Paul supporters look good. But... Most of it (or at least my understanding of most of it) is that it is in response to rules violations (or worse).

The GOP convention in Louisiana is a prime example.

15 or so of Louisiana's 46 delegates to national convention were awarded based on the caucus soft voting. The people originally running the convention violated party rules by adopting new rules immediately prior to the convention because they were concerned that Paul supporters use their majority to take a large portion of the remaining 30 delegate slots. Paul supporters were in fact in a majority because they won 4 of 6 congressional district caucuses. They used party rules to elect a new chairman because of blatant rules violations and the vote passed 113 to 67.

The ousted chairman responded by requesting that off duty police remove the new chairman. Then here is where the Paul supporters looked ugly. They started chanting "The Chairman was removed" over and over again as police haul the guy out. Another new chairman was elected shortly there after...

[ame]http://youtu.be/U7yoKvCDJ6o[/ame]

I guess the question in this case is how do the pro-Paulers(or pro-any candidate other than the anointed establishment guy) not look like unruly mobs when they challenge efforts to deny them a legitimate claim to the process (they had nearly 2/3rds majority at the meeting) by a minority intent on violating rules?

The strangest thing about this is that it seems that the Santorum folks were the ones battling with the Paul crowd. Their guy dropped out and then their grassroots people quit going to meetings so they lost most of the Congressional district events.

UPDATED: Here is a better (but longer video) to show what happened leading to the man in the first video's arrest. It then also show what happened to the newly elected chairman when they attempted to remove him from the meeting (he apparently had an injury to his hip replacement).

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k884ZKUNwbo[/ame]

This video shows more of the story and makes the pro-Paul crowd look less like crazies.

 

[IndyDave1776]

It seems pretty simple to me. You can either permit yourself to be run over and disenfranchised as you 'politely' decline to exercise your rights and let the establishment have its way, or you can choose not to let yourself be disenfranchised and run over and the minority representing the establishment will call in the JBTs, much like refusing to consent to a search constituting probable cause on the merits of the argument that you would consent unless you had something in particular to hide.

 

[jedi]

It seems pretty simple to me. You can either permit yourself to be run over and disenfranchised as you 'politely' decline to exercise your rights and let the establishment have its way, or you can choose not to let yourself be disenfranchised and run over and the minority representing the establishment will call in the JBTs, much like refusing to consent to a search constituting probable cause on the merits of the argument that you would consent unless you had something in particular to hide.

& thus why this....

This is why working from within the party won't work. We've seen the same thing in other states. They'll kill you first.

 

[Expat]

So if you can not work within the party structure and you can't successfully run as a 3rd party, I guess all of the discussion is pointless.