Louisville Burglary Victim Charged with Murder

[BE Mike]

You just can't hunt down people and kill them even after they commit a felony in your home. Incidents like this don't win over any people to the gun rights side.
Louisville man accused of murder after chasing intruders away fr - WDRB 41 Louisville News

 

[Peter Potamus]

Another idiot with access to a gun. Lock him up.

 

[Dead Duck]

You just can't Get Caught [STRIKE]hunt[/STRIKE] Hunting down people and kill them even after they commit a felony in your home. Incidents like this don't win over any people to the gun rights side.
Louisville man accused of murder after chasing intruders away fr - WDRB 41 Louisville News

FIFY

 

[Kutnupe14]

Should he be charged with murder though?

 

[eldirector]

See also:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/carry-issues-self-defense/390527-1-shot-too-many.html

No, you can't chase people down that are fleeing. Especially over property. Even in Kentucky.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I bet it will be plead down to voluntary manslaughter or KY's equivalent, but yeah, shouldn't do that. If you have to chase a guy a block and he's fleeing the whole time, you're going to have a tough claim to self defense.

 

[sidewinder27]

I wouldn't have chased him in this situation but if I was on the jury he would be going home if I had anything to do with it.

 

[foszoe]

Does murder explicitly mean premeditated?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Does murder explicitly mean premeditated?

KY Statute:

507.020 Murder.
(1) A person is guilty of murder when:
(a) With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of such
person or of a third person; except that in any prosecution a person shall not
be guilty under this subsection if he acted under the influence of extreme
emotional disturbance for which there was a reasonable explanation or excuse,
the reasonableness of which is to be determined from the viewpoint of a
person in the defendant's situation under the circumstances as the defendant
believed them to be. However, nothing contained in this section shall
constitute a defense to a prosecution for or preclude a conviction of
manslaughter in the first degree or any other crime; or
(b) Including, but not limited to, the operation of a motor vehicle under
circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life, he wantonly
engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to another person and
thereby causes the death of another person.
(2) Murder is a capital offense.
Effective: July 13, 1984
History: Amended 1984 Ky. Acts ch. 165, sec. 26, effective July 13, 1984. -- Amended
1976 (1st Extra. Sess.) Ky. Acts ch. 15, sec. 1, effective December 22, 1976. --
Amended 1976 Ky. Acts ch. 183, sec. 1. -- Created 1974 Ky. Acts ch. 406, sec. 61,
effective January 1, 1975

 

[Bapak2ja]

I wouldn't have chased him in this situation but if I was on the jury he would be going home if I had anything to do with it.

Agreed.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'd put him on the hook for jail time, certainly, but murder is a bit steep in my opinion. sometimes you put your life is in peril if you commit a crime. People respond to victimization in different ways.

 

[BE Mike]

I bet it will be plead down to voluntary manslaughter or KY's equivalent, but yeah, shouldn't do that. If you have to chase a guy a block and he's fleeing the whole time, you're going to have a tough claim to self defense.

I actually remember when shooting a fleeing felon was within the law. Of course it was in another state and a long time ago (mid-70's).

 

[BE Mike]

KY Statute:

Wow, after reading that it looks like he might have a legal defense. In the heat of the moment, after being burglarized (home invasion?) a person can really be emotionally distraught. I've seen it. On the down side, he lives in Louisville, the residents of which are known for their left leaning views. On the up side, he is a person of color and so was the fleeing felon.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I actually remember when shooting a fleeing felon was within the law. Of course it was in another state and a long time ago (mid-70's).

Tennessee Vs Garner put an end to that. How's that been working out for us?

 

[EdC]

Tennessee Vs Garner put an end to that. How's that been working out for us?

Hard cases make bad law. I mean, how can a fleeing felon have a reasonable expectation to a right to flee the scene of the crime? Then again, I think the case was about an unarmed 15 year old burglar that stole a purse with $10 in it, and was shot in the head trying to hop a fence making his getaway.

 

[olhorseman]

Wow, after reading that it looks like he might have a legal defense. In the heat of the moment, after being burglarized (home invasion?) a person can really be emotionally distraught. I've seen it. On the down side, he lives in Louisville, the residents of which are known for their left leaning views. On the up side, he is a person of color and so was the fleeing felon.

Homeowner one of these guys?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Wow, after reading that it looks like he might have a legal defense. In the heat of the moment, after being burglarized (home invasion?) a person can really be emotionally distraught. I've seen it. On the down side, he lives in Louisville, the residents of which are known for their left leaning views. On the up side, he is a person of color and so was the fleeing felon.

He has a defense against murder. That's why I figure it'll end up being manslaughter of some type.

 

[chrisjross85]

Whats right is right and that is wrong, come on guys think about this he was posing no current threat to you or any innocent people! No different than a cop shooting a guy in the back, just a few weeks ago I seen a thread on here of people saying he cop murdered the guy. The gun community does not need publicist like this story, now if your defending your life and property from a current threat well may God have Mercy on their soul.

 

[Libertarian01]

So I read the article and this was another story from Aug 2nd.

POLICE: Louisville couple beaten with baseball bats during home - WDRB 41 Louisville News

It would be wonderful if the OP's story were to dissuade any more like the one above.

Doug

 

[Dead Duck]

If I had my house robbed and the dirtbag was running away, I feel I have the right to stop him in any way I see fit. I will follow him to the ends of the earth...............or til I'm out of gas.
Especially if he is taking my car and/or any personal items that may include names or addresses of family and friends. Bonus points if he has any of my guns. I'll need those back immediately.

I never understood the rules of a "fair fight" that some courts apparently have. What are we suppose to do?

Example-
Face to face with a felon, and I have a gun but he pulls only a knife. I guess I need to put my gun down and pull my knife out.
Then he pulls a his gun, well I need to pick my gun back up.
Then he turns away from me, well I can't shoot him till he turns toward me again.
Then he faces me but only has a knife showing again, then I drop my gun again just to be fair.

I've seen liberals play this out in conversation and I think it's all bull****. Fair fight my a**.
I will stop any threat to me, my family, and my friends as I see fit at my disposal.

Right vs wrong doesn't always equal legal vs illegal. That's way we have blood sucking lawyers.
And race should never be an issue. I'm an equal opportunist. I'll shoot anybody.