LTCH Denied

[Kirk Freeman]

Crimes are felonies and misdemeanors.

Infractions and ordinance violations are not crimes in Indiana.

I'm having trouble remembering all my verbal warnings...in the past 5 years.

From the wife?

I just put the infinity symbol for that question.

 

[HoughMade]

...From the wife?...

I haven't gotten a warning since the turn of the century....it's straight to consequences.

 

[singlesix]

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[T.Lex]

Deleted. Probably to much information.

I actually caught it before the delete, I think.

I suggest you folks appeal the decision on the basis that it wasn't a criminal conviction, so she didn't lie.

No guarantees on the outcome, but you don't really lose anything by trying. There might be some reporting issue from that jurisdiction that doesn't fit neatly into a box.

 

[T.Lex]

I haven't gotten a warning since the turn of the century.....

Which century?

 

[Lowe0]

Yep, traffic tickets don't count; I didn't report either of mine. I also had an alcohol ticket from college, but it was an infraction - I would have been willing to report it, but the question specifically said "misdemeanors" so I couldn't have reported it without lying by checking yes (there is no "anything else you want to tell us?" box).

 

[MrsGungho]

They consider ANY traffic ticket as being arrested. I used to answer the question " Have you ever been arrested ? " Yes, Traffic only." Also answered the same way when I applied for my Lifetime.

if they do, I wouldn't have my LTCH. Numerous tickets AND defensive driving school. Applied for a 4 year a couple of times since then as well as a lifetime. Never denied and I didn't list any of the above.

 

[KG1]

Do they?

I'm proof positive they don't.

Remember all my tickets? No way. I'm having trouble remembering all my verbal warnings...in the past 5 years.

Heck, I pulled a horse trailer back home from Newark,IL on Monday without a license plate, had police behind me 3 times....nothing.

For cripes sake man! Stop incriminating yourself. Edit out this part of your post and contact a lawyer! ASAP!

 

[SteveM4A1]

For cripes sake man! Stop incriminating yourself. Edit out this part of your post and contact a lawyer! ASAP!

QFT!

 

[singlesix]

Seems there is always more to the story.

 

[ModernGunner]

Well you have been a very good boy unlike me who grew up in a series of muscle cars.
If you have some muscles you need to use them.....apparently.

No, you need to learn how to use them and not get stopped!

Remember folks, ya DON'T get punished for what you do. You get punished for what you get CAUGHT doing!
Of course, once ya get to those 'pearly gates', it might all be "LuCY, you got some 'splainin' to DO!"

 

[silverspoon]

I actually caught it before the delete, I think.

I suggest you folks appeal the decision on the basis that it wasn't a criminal conviction, so she didn't lie.

No guarantees on the outcome, but you don't really lose anything by trying. There might be some reporting issue from that jurisdiction that doesn't fit neatly into a box.

I truly dunno what happened, like I said it was truly before my time. The lady at the sheriffs department said we could either appeal or wait until her money is refunded and reapply and make sure it's on the next one. Not sure she could win an appeal the way the rejection letter is worded. Bottom line is she didn't put whatever it is on the application and that's why she was rejected, because it wasn't on there. We can just wait and she can reapply with whatever it is listed on the application. Her's has been expired for 3 or 4 years so another couple months is not the end of the world. Unless there's some advantage to appealing or it's necessary for her to appeal to gain the license then we will just wait and she can play game the right way. I guess I should consult a lawyer?? Anyone recommend a good gun law lawyer in the Bloomington area or one that will consult over the phone??

The whole thing angers me because everyone, including lawbreakers and felons, is born with the inherent right to self defense. If your a free person walking the streets you shouldn't need permission from a state to exercise that right. But alas I'm in a minority and unfortunately our inherited right to self defense was sold out many years before my time.

 

[T.Lex]

With the appeal, for one thing, you'd get a clearer idea of what the problem is. Truly, a traffic citation does not require disclosure. There's a disconnect somewhere with the current application and an appeal will sort that out.

If you wait and start over, and disclose what you think is the problem, it might work. Or, because of the disconnect, what you think is the problem might not be the real problem and you'll be back in this same situation.

Guy Relford is an attorney in Carmel that is one of the best "gun lawyers" in the state (IMHO). And a darn nice guy, too.

 

[HoughMade]

For cripes sake man! Stop incriminating yourself. Edit out this part of your post and contact a lawyer! ASAP!

I don't know any good lawyers.

I have, however, determined that a stock pickup, county fair window sticker and 4-H Foundation license plate make me, if not invisible to police, immune from tickets.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I have, however, determined that a stock pickup, county fair window sticker and 4-H Foundation license plate make me, if not invisible to police, immune from tickets.

And you discount your manly beard? Likely they are awestruck.

 

[indiucky]

I have, however, determined that a stock pickup, county fair window sticker and 4-H Foundation license plate make me, if not invisible to police, immune from tickets.

I once had a Dead Head sticker on my Cadillac and a little voice inside my head said don't look back you should never look back...

 

[silverspoon]

I'm at work now but I will send him an email this evening. I think everything boils down to three or four questions and I think it would give us a better sense of direction.

 

[KG1]

I once had a Dead Head sticker on my Cadillac and a little voice inside my head said don't look back you should never look back...

This sounds familier...

 

[indiucky]

This sounds familier...

 

[mwingeier]

They consider ANY traffic ticket as being arrested. I used to answer the question " Have you ever been arrested ? " Yes, Traffic only." Also answered the same way when I applied for my Lifetime.

I'm pretty certain they don't. In my youth, I had enough speeding tickets to have my license suspended twice, almost a third time. Not so much as a peep when I applied for mine and I answered no to the question.