LTCH.....

[greg]

Is there any law that requires ANYONE to carry their LTCH lic.? or to produce such when asked by a LEO?


Thanks....

 

[Light]

You aren't required to carry your LTCH, but the burden of proof lies on you to prove you have an LTCH if questioned by an officer about it.

 

[ATM]

That was once law, but no longer. (Sec. 1 in code below)

If you are arrested/charged for carrying without being licensed, as stated above, it is your burden to prove exemption to get that arrest/charge dismissed. (Sec. 24 in code below)


Indiana Code 2016 - Indiana General Assembly, 2016 Session

 

[Cameramonkey]

Yep. Burden of proof is on you. If you can verbally convince the LEO you are good, so be it. But I wouldnt put too much stock in your word against theirs. (Please note my signature. It is VERY much relevant)

Personally, I dont leave home without mine. ESPECIALLY after one particularly touchy interaction with Westfield PD. Officer couldnt verify the validity of my LTCH because ISP wouldnt answer the phone when WPD dispatch called them and wouldnt return their call. (apparently they arent tied into the computer system) I sat on the side of the road for almost 30 minutes waiting for the officer to prove my LTCH was still valid.

Had I not had the pink permission slip, it could have ruined my day/week/month/year. As it was due to the delay, the officer used his iphone to photograph my pistol with the serial visible so he could "prove that I had been carrying without a valid license that day and come to my house later" (presumably to arrest me/confiscate my gun) if dispatch finally got a return call to confirm my lifetime LTCH wasnt good." Now imagine the situation had I not actually carried the physical copy of the LTCH; Officer with not one shred of evidence that I was legal to carry, and no response from the ISP when asked if I was legit. With that nugget of wisdom, do you still think its a good idea NOT to carry your pretty pink permission slip?

 

[ATM]

... With that nugget of wisdom, do you still think its a good idea NOT to carry your pretty pink permission slip?

Just memorize or write the number on a dirty napkin and carry that with you. Verifying that number with ISP is the only thing the officer you encountered was going to consider proof.

 

[youngmanjr1970]

You aren't required to carry, but must prove you have it if you are asked by LEO.

 

[TheSpark]

I would carry it whenever possible. However, you are not required to. The sticky thing is the burden of proof that you are licensed is on you. Theoretically an officer could refuse to look it up and arrest you. Once they discover you are licensed they have to release you and destroy all records of the arrest.

Also, for the time being, they can't just stop you for no reason and request you provide your LTCH due to a recent court ruling.

 

[Doublehelix]

Yep. Burden of proof is on you. If you can verbally convince the LEO you are good, so be it. But I wouldnt put too much stock in your word against theirs. (Please note my signature. It is VERY much relevant)

Personally, I dont leave home without mine. ESPECIALLY after one particularly touchy interaction with Westfield PD. Officer couldnt verify the validity of my LTCH because ISP wouldnt answer the phone when WPD dispatch called them and wouldnt return their call. (apparently they arent tied into the computer system) I sat on the side of the road for almost 30 minutes waiting for the officer to prove my LTCH was still valid.

Had I not had the pink permission slip, it could have ruined my day/week/month/year. As it was due to the delay, the officer used his iphone to photograph my pistol with the serial visible so he could "prove that I had been carrying without a valid license that day and come to my house later" (presumably to arrest me/confiscate my gun) if dispatch finally got a return call to confirm my lifetime LTCH wasnt good." Now imagine the situation had I not actually carried the physical copy of the LTCH; Officer with not one shred of evidence that I was legal to carry, and no response from the ISP when asked if I was legit. With that nugget of wisdom, do you still think its a good idea NOT to carry your pretty pink permission slip?

That is an absolute nightmare of a story, and rings all the more true for me since I live in Westfield. What good is the pink card if they do not believe it to be valid? Were you respectful or argumentative with him/her?

 

[wildcatze]

I figure if I can carry my credit card or cash then why not. Agree that it will only save a possible headache.

 

[Nojoy621]

It's nice to know I could still carry if say, I left my wallet at home, or lost it. But I'm curious, what would be the argument for purposefully not carrying your card with you?

 

[ATM]

It's nice to know I could still carry if say, I left my wallet at home, or lost it. But I'm curious, what would be the argument for purposefully not carrying your card with you?

Since the card itself is not sufficient proof of exception for some officers, and checking the ISP database can be done without it, what would be the argument for carrying around such a useless token of Indiana's infringement on our RKBA?