Man being held and beaten with baseball bat kills 2 teens and may be charged.

[halfmileharry]

Bearing ArmsMan Being Beaten With Baseball Bat Faces Charges For Shooting His Attackers? [Updated] - Bearing Arms
Even the right it's best to "STFU" and Lawyer up.

 

[T.Lex]

..it's best to "STFU" and Lawyer up.

Why yes... yes it is.

If INGO can only teach one thing, it should be this.

For the children.

 

[dirtybird]

I can't believe they even question if this is self defense. Where is our country heading?

 

[PRasko]

He's refusing to give a statement to the police without a lawyer present. That's the only reason he's "possibly" being charged.

They cannot rule self defense until he gives a statement.

 

[ParaManAR15]

Has been an update to the story if you haven't seen already.

Sources tell FOX6 News the maintenance worker has asked for a lawyer while in custody — and as of Thursday morning, he had not provided a statement to police.
FOX6 News is told the incident cannot be considered self-defense until a statement is given.
Attorney Alex Flynn isn’t representing the maintenance man in this case, but says based on the facts we’ve heard so far, he believes the man could argue that he fired his weapon in self-defense.

 

[T.Lex]

Where is our country heading?

Its Milwaukee. I'm not sure that's a very accurate bellwether for the rest of the country. Kinda like Cali.

ETA:
Better to say nothing and spend a couple nights in jail than to say the wrong thing and extend the stay.

 

[MPD742]

This doesn't hardly make since unless they have some kind of 48 hour law for the prosecutor to review.

 

[MPD742]

Has been an update to the story if you haven't seen already.

I thought you were innocent until proven guilty and what about probable cause?

 

[EvilKidsMeal]

I thought you were innocent until proven guilty and what about probable cause?

Basically the report is just saying that they can't say either way. He is innocent until proven guilty but the same can be said the other way around. He may be charged with murder, he may be let off on legitimate self defense. We won't know until we know.

 

[phishb0y]

This story is old. He was no billed

 

[MCgrease08]

Its Milwaukee. I'm not sure that's a very accurate bellwether for the rest of the country. Kinda like Cali.

ETA:
Better to say nothing and spend a couple nights in jail than to say the wrong thing and extend the stay.

Actually the sheriff in Milwaukee County, David Clarke, is very pro second amendment and has been extremely vocal in his support of citizens carrying. I'm not sure if this incident would be handled by the Sheriff's office or the local PD.

Milwaukee County Sheriff: 'You Have A Duty To Protect Yourself' : NPR

 

[Dosproduction]

Yeah if there is video then it will tell the truth of what happen. Unless it is started later in confrontation or what not.

 

[PGRChaplain]

14 March 2014, Good Guy released, not charged.

 

[oldpink]

Actually the sheriff in Milwaukee County, David Clarke, is very pro second amendment and has been extremely vocal in his support of citizens carrying. I'm not sure if this incident would be handled by the Sheriff's office or the local PD.

Milwaukee County Sheriff: 'You Have A Duty To Protect Yourself' : NPR

Right you are.
Sheriff Clarke is definitely one of the good guys, but he's sheriff of MIlwaukee County, not of the city of Milwaukee.
Unfortunately, the man in charge inside city limits would be the police chief, appointed by the mayor, who is well known as very anti-gun and antagonistic to Sheriff Clarke.

 

[Denny347]

"I feared for my life. I will not give any further statement without my lawyer." Better than saying nothing, sets the direction of the investigation a little better.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

"I feared for my life. I will not give any further statement without my lawyer." Better than saying nothing, sets the direction of the investigation a little better.

If I was smart, I could probably say something like that after being in a deadly force situation. Unfortunately, I am stupid and since I am stupid, all I am supposed to say is "I would like to speak to an attorney". After that I am supposed to shut up until I talk to my attorney.

 

[oldpink]

"I feared for my life. I will not give any further statement without my lawyer." Better than saying nothing, sets the direction of the investigation a little better.

Yep
That's part of what Massad Ayoob advises for anyone involved in a justified use of force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCZXZMYyRl4

Whoever makes the initial call is presumed to be the victim.
"Officer, I'm the man who called you, and that's the man who attacked me."
"I will sign the complaint."
"The evidence is here; the witnesses are there."
Officer, you'll have my full cooperation in 24 hours, after I've spoken with counsel."

1) Point out perpetrator to police.
2) Tell police you "will sign the complaint."
3) Point out the evidence to the police.
4) Point out witnesses to police.
5) Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with attorney.

Those five steps should be committed to memory for anyone who contemplates even the remote possibility of using deadly force, just as much or even more so than range practice.
It should be so well learned that you still automatically say and do the right thing in the extreme psychological and physical stress of the aftermath of defending yourself.