Man prosecuted for having SBR. It's actually an AR Pistol + Brace.

[Beowulf]

INGO never trusts the government....unless it sends a letter saying your firearm in non-NFA.

That, we trust.

Not even then (I know you are being sarcastic).

One only has to look at what happened to BRP with the XMG and of course all the nonsense that happened around the ATF randomly changing their mind. Hell, really the best example is all the stuff around the arm braces that apparently we are still dealing with, as this seems to indicate the 4th time the ATF has changed it's mind about them. They are okay... Wait, no they aren't, if you shoulder them you are criminal... Wait, wait, that last guy was wrong, arm braces are totally okay... Just kidding, you are under arrest.

 

[HoughMade]

I never thought it was a good idea to post a bunch of details about ones "brace" build, then shoot video of it and put it on YouTube, regardless of what one branch of the ATF said.

Guess I'm just an old, paranoid fuddy-duddy.

I'm all for hoping that this unsuccessful prosecution puts an end to this nonsense, but all it takes is a crusading prosecutor to say: "sure looks like a stock to me" and a jury dumb enough to agree. Because, it looks for all the world like a stock and about 87.9% of people using them aren't strapping their arms in there.

 

[DRob]

I never thought it was a good idea to post a bunch of details about ones "brace" build, then shoot video of it and put it on YouTube,....................................................................................................................

Perhaps the best suggestion ever made on INGO.

 

[KG1]

The atf has proven that they never deal in good faith. They have no credibility and integrity but that doesn’t seem to stop them. That goes for any over zealous prosecutor as well.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

INGO: "A protective order is just a piece of paper that bad guys can walk through."

Kirk Freeman: "Maybe, but your inane letter ruling rationalizing your purchase of a silly weapon can be walked through by a US Attorney."

INGO: "Meye ryyyeeettts!"

 

[Hohn]

One of Trump's failures is he did not clean house at the DOJ his first day in office.

And yes, the government's attempt to suppress determination letters as evidence may be legal, but it is not ethical, and it is not justice.

The problem is that the laws are written in broad, fill-in-the-blank terms that end up being a block grant of endless authority to the executive agencies.

ATF should not be making law or legal interpretations. It should be written plainly into the law.


But that would require Congress to do its job, and we all know how likely that is.

 

[T.Lex]

There should be a different approach to federal lawmaking and subsequent rule making. It really should be up to Congress to make the laws as clear (or not) as they can, then leave it to the courts to interpret. Yeah, that's kind like going back to the way it was a long time ago, but currently a whole lot of people in a whole lot of different contexts are getting a raw deal.

We need a name for this change in approach. Something snappy. Something catchy.

Maybe the "New Deal."

Oh.

Wait.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The problem is that the laws are written in broad, fill-in-the-blank terms that end up being a block grant of endless authority to the executive agencies.

ATF should not be making law or legal interpretations. It should be written plainly into the law.


But that would require Congress to do its job, and we all know how likely that is.

There should be a different approach to federal lawmaking and subsequent rule making. It really should be up to Congress to make the laws as clear (or not) as they can, then leave it to the courts to interpret. Yeah, that's kind like going back to the way it was a long time ago, but currently a whole lot of people in a whole lot of different contexts are getting a raw deal.

We need a name for this change in approach. Something snappy. Something catchy.

Maybe the "New Deal."

Oh.

Wait.

Congress will never go along...they'd have no one to blame but their own votes and that might endanger their most important job.

 

[JTScribe]

The weird thing is, that brace looks like less of a stock than, say, a Shockwave Blade. That AFG is a little hinky, though. I'd have gone with the MagPul one, myself.

 

[MCgrease08]

The weird thing is, that brace looks like less of a stock than, say, a Shockwave Blade. That AFG is a little hinky, though. I'd have gone with the MagPul one, myself.

Is that the gun in question? Where did you find the pics?

Side note. That thing looks way too tacticool to be practical or useful.

 

[T.Lex]

What caliber is that? If it is a PCC style, that might've figured into the argument, too.

 

[JTScribe]

Yeah, from here:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...-loss-in-ohio-short-barrel-rifle-prosecution/

 

[Alpo]

How about the guy who is unable to push a Sig brace fully onto the buffer tube? Does having the brace in a position where it still fits well on a forearm but not in designed proximity to the extension base present a unique legal challenge? (assuming the 13.5" rule is not a rule)

Asking for a friend.

 

[printcraft]

Yeah, from here:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...-loss-in-ohio-short-barrel-rifle-prosecution/

The intentional mis-measuring to **** the guy has me pissed off.

 

[Alpo]

I blame it on the wife.

 

[lonehoosier]

How about the guy who is unable to push a Sig brace fully onto the buffer tube? Does having the brace in a position where it still fits well on a forearm but not in designed proximity to the extension base present a unique legal challenge? (assuming the 13.5" rule is not a rule)

Asking for a friend.

Like this

 

[printcraft]

I blame it on the wife.

Do you measure from the top or bottom?

 

[Denny347]

The weird thing is, that brace looks like less of a stock than, say, a Shockwave Blade. That AFG is a little hinky, though. I'd have gone with the MagPul one, myself.

That might be the UGLIEST AR I've ever seen. It's funny to see what people will slap on their rifles.

 

[HoughMade]

Do you measure from the top or bottom?

https://twitter.com/carolla_quotes/status/296671135494463489?lang=en

 

[Alpo]

Do you measure from the top or bottom?

HIS wife. Throw a phone at her...DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. OK...if it's buried in her forehead....maybe that's not a friendly toss. This domestic violence is like a Kavanaugh Rape: Both are abuses of the law in favor of sometimes crazy women.