Mass shootings since 1/1/2009

[T.Lex]

It appears that mass shootings will be the clarion call for gun control. In an effort to provide factual defense to any assertions along these lines, I thought it would be helpful to INGO-crowdsource a list of mass shootings and whether they were in GFZs. I googled, and didn't find anything that fit the data points (as simple as they are).

So, here's the list. I will edit as people come up with new ones. [strike] At some point, probably worthwhile to do this in chronological order, but I'm just that lazy right now.[/strike]

Working definition of "mass shooting" is 3+ victims (not including perp).

Also, I'm defining GFZ in this thread as the location where the victims were when the shooting occurred. So, for the Chattanooga shooting, the victims were in an area that was a GFZ, so they could not return fire against the shooter who was outside, in a non-GFZ.

Binghamton NY American Civic Association - 4/3/2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings
non-GFZ?

Graham, WA, father kills his 5 kids - 4/4/2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/us/06killings.html?_r=0
non-GFZ

Fort Hood Shooting - 11/5/2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting
GFZ

Tacoma officer shooting - 11/29/2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood,_Washington_police_officer_shooting
non-GFZ

Connecticut beer distributor - 8/3/2010
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting
non-GFZ?

Tuscon Shooting - 1/8/2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting
non-GFZ

Grand Rapids - 7/7/2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder
non-GFZ

Copley Twshp Ohio - 8/7/2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Copley_Township,_Ohio_shooting
non-GFZ

IHOP in Carson City 9/6/2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_IHOP_shooting
GFZ?

Hair Salon - 10/12/2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Seal_Beach_shooting
GFZ?

Appomattox - 1/17-19/2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Appomattox_shootings
non-GFZ

Oikos University - 4/2/2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikos_University_shooting
I suspect this was a GFZ.

Cafe Racer - 5/30/2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Seattle_cafe_shooting_spree
non-GFZ?

Aurora Dark Night shooting - 7/20/2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting
GFZ

Sikh temple, Milwaukee - 8/5/2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiscon...emple_shooting
GFZ?

Minneapolis - 9/27/2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Minneapolis_workplace_shooting
non-GFZ (Only if prohibited by employer.)


Another Milwaukee shooting with 4 killed - 10/21/2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Azana_Spa_shootings
GFZ?

Sandy Hook - 12/14/2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
GFZ

New Mexico - 1/19/2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_South_Valley,_New_Mexico_homicide
non-GFZ

Santa Monica - 7/7/2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Santa_Monica_shooting
GFZ - isn't all of Cali a GFZ?

Florida Todel Apartments- 7/26/2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Hialeah_shooting
non-GFZ

Navy Yard - 9/16/2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washin..._Yard_shooting
GFZ

Ft. Hood, redux - 4/2/2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Fort_Hood_shooting
GFZ

Isla Vista - 5/23/2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings
non-GFZ

Houston - 7/9/2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Spring,_Texas_shooting
non-GFZ

Marysville school shooting - 10/24/14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marysville_Pilchuck_High_School_shooting
GFZ

San Francisco, 4 dead - 1/9/14
http://abc7news.com/news/sfpd-confirm-4-dead-following-shooting-in-hayes-valley/469681/
non-GFZ (well, it is technically CA)

Troup County, GA - 5 dead - 2/4/15
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/five-bodies-found-inside-lagrange-home/nj2rK/
non-GFZ

Tyrone, Missouri - 2/26/2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tyrone_shooting
non-GFZ

Charleston Emmanuel AME Church - 6/17/2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charleston_church_shooting
GFZ

Chattanooga recruiting center - 7/16/2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chattanooga_shootings
GFZ

Houston - Conley domestic, 8 killed - 8/8/2015
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...admitted-murders-phone-call-article-1.2320380
non-GFZ

Umpqua Community College, 9 killed - 10/1/2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpqua_Community_College_shooting
GFZ

[[strike]Still trying to remember that one out west - Idaho or something. Maybe not enough dead people for that one to count.[/strike]
Was thinking of the Oklahoma attempted beheading. Doesn't count for purposes of this thread.]

 

[Mark 1911]

Here's a very detailed timeline of mass killings (not just shootings but includes shootings) since 2006.

USA TODAY | BEHIND THE BLOODSHED: THE UNTOLD STORY OF AMERICA?S MASS KILLINGS

 

[JTScribe]

http://monsterhunternation.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

"And here is the nail in the coffin for Gun Free Zones. Over the last fifty years, with only one single exception (Gabby Giffords), every single mass shooting event with more than four casualties has taken place in a place where guns were supposedly not allowed."

 

[gundoc111]

Isn't it interesting that the POS...sorry POUS mentioned the 9 killed BUT doesn't mention the 45+ killed in one weekend in Chicago, or the dozens killed EVERY WEEK. Couldn't be that his Socialist buddy, Rohm Emanual is mayor could it?

 

[OakRiver]

Other useful articles;
The Facts about Mass Shootings | National Review Online
The Cruelty of Gun-Free Zones | National Review Online

 

[wsenefeld]

Can you count Sandy Hook? The FBI hasn't reported any homicides in Sandy Hook for 2012.

 

[T.Lex]

An opinion on gun control | Monster Hunter Nation

"And here is the nail in the coffin for Gun Free Zones. Over the last fifty years, with only one single exception (Gabby Giffords), every single mass shooting event with more than four casualties has taken place in a place where guns were supposedly not allowed."

I guess I can say with some confidence that assertion is categorically false.

Can you count Sandy Hook? The FBI hasn't reported any homicides in Sandy Hook for 2012.

I try, as much as possible, to operate in our common reality. The mass shooting at Sandy Hook, at this point, is part of that reality, so I'll count it.

 

[T.Lex]

Double post. And, while the post was certainly a solid one, I don't think it rises to the level of repetition-worthy.

 

[JTScribe]

I guess I can say with some confidence that assertion is categorically false.

Okay, please cite the mass shootings with >4 casualties that occurred in GFZs other than Giffords. Larry Correia knows his stuff. John Lott's website, for example, cites the Binghamton location as a GFZ. Given that it's a government building that tends to make sense. Does the Grand Rapids shooting really count as a a "mass shooting"? That seems to have been in multiple locations, which doesn't seem to fit the definition IMO.

 

[oldnovice]

From the NRO article linked above:

--Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

Read more at: The Facts about Mass Shootings | National Review Online

I would think John Lott verified before he stated this. The article is a good read with good points to use in defense of freedom.

 

[amboy49]

It appears to me that the POTUS is upset because this was a "white" shooter of "black" individuals. The new SOS has already defined this as a "terrorist" attack. I also believe I heard Obama personally knew the minister who was killed. I am afraid Obama, as a lame duck, will make every effort to impose his anti gun agenda. I also am afraid the Republican congressmen/women and Senators will be too gutless to resist the effort.

 

[OWGEM]

It appears to me that the POTUS is upset because this was a "white" shooter of "black" individuals.

As we all should be. Racism is racism.

 

[OakRiver]

Can you count Sandy Hook? The FBI hasn't reported any homicides in Sandy Hook for 2012.

In FBI murder data, mass killings often go missing
"And that isn't the only major case missing. The 12 people who were killed in an Aurora, Colo., movie watching the premier of a Batman movie aren't listed either, raising questions about the accuracy and usefulness of the federal data."


"A USA TODAY investigation into mass killings has found that the FBI's homicide data over the past decade has only a 57% accuracy rate when it comes to recording the killings of more than four people in a single event. That takes into account cases that aren't there, such as Sandy Hook, and cases that are recorded as mass killings but shouldn't be, such as the July 2012 fatal shooting of a 14-year-old Cleveland girl at a birthday party, erroneously entered as a slaying with four teen-age victims."


"Connecticut's homicide count is correct, but the FBI's detailed supplementary material includes only the shooting of Adam Lanza's mother at her home in December 2012, just before Lanza went to the elementary school. Lt. Paul Vance says his department submitted a six-page report on the Newtown school victims to the FBI but later identified a mistake. Updated data was provided too late to be reflected in the database, Vance says, but the information should be added soon"

It appears to me that the POTUS is upset because this was a "white" shooter of "black" individuals. The new SOS has already defined this as a "terrorist" attack. I also believe I heard Obama personally knew the minister who was killed. I am afraid Obama, as a lame duck, will make every effort to impose his anti gun agenda. I also am afraid the Republican congressmen/women and Senators will be too gutless to resist the effort.

Killing another person because of the skin colour should not be tolerated. Nor should killing someone because of their religion, political beliefs, sexual orientation, or a myriad of other reasons.

Why should this not be considered a terrorist act? What criteria are you using to define a terrorist act? Was the attempted shooting in Texas not a terrorist act? How about Charlie Hebdo? Oklahoma City Bombing?

 

[Avec]

OP, your inclusion of GFZ and non-GFZ makes zero sense and adds nothing to the discussion. Just because a church is a gun free zone, means nothing. Should the dead parishioners have said "Hey, you aren't supposed to have a gun in here" It should be further noted that the retarded board member of the NRA said the parishioners should have been armed, but as noted, it would have been illegal for them to do so. If the shooting were in a state that has much more strict laws, that is significant, but a limited area inside a permissive area - not so much

There is a deep and serious discussion to be had, and superfluous, and dubious "facts" need to be left out.

 

[T.Lex]

Okay, please cite the mass shootings with >4 casualties that occurred in GFZs other than Giffords. Larry Correia knows his stuff. John Lott's website, for example, cites the Binghamton location as a GFZ. Given that it's a government building that tends to make sense. Does the Grand Rapids shooting really count as a a "mass shooting"? That seems to have been in multiple locations, which doesn't seem to fit the definition IMO.

From the NRO article linked above:

--Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

Read more at: The Facts about Mass Shootings | National Review Online

I would think John Lott verified before he stated this. The article is a good read with good points to use in defense of freedom.

Ok. Randomly picked a couple from the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Hialeah_shooting

On July 26, 2013, a mass shooting occurred at the Todel Apartments,[SUP][3][/SUP] an apartment complex in Hialeah, a city in Miami-Dade County, Florida. Seven people, including the shooter, were killed in the incident. The shooter was identified by police as 42-year-old Pedro Alberto Vargas, a resident of Hialeah, who, after setting his apartment ablaze, opened fire from his balcony and inside the apartment, then held two people hostage before being fatally shot by a SWAT team on the early hours of July 27.[SUP][4][/SUP] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Hialeah's history,[SUP][5][/SUP] as well as the deadliest in the entire Miami area in three decades.[SUP][6][/SUP]

I do not know if the apartment complex was a GFZ, but I am certainly open to being informed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings

The Binghamton shootings took place on Friday, April 3, 2009, at the American Civic Association immigration center in Binghamton, New York, United States. At approximately 10:30 a.m. EDT, Jiverly Antares Wong (aka Jiverly Voong), a naturalized American citizen from Vietnam,[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP] entered the facility and shot numerous people inside.[SUP][6][/SUP] Wong had taken English language classes there from January to March 2009 before dropping out. Wong shot a teacher and students from his former classroom. The shooter killed 13 people and wounded four others, before committing suicide.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] It was one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history and the worst mass killing in the state of New York since the September 11 attacks.

Now, with the restrictive gun laws, I am open to including the entire state of NY as a GFZ, but we just need to decide that's the criteria we're going to use. Again, I do not believe the office building was a GFZ specifically by law, but it may not have allowed firearms on site.

Indeed, I respect John Lott a great deal. I would be very interested in his source material on some of these other incidents. As an aside, several of them were a surprise to me. I had not heard of them.

 

[T.Lex]

OP, your inclusion of GFZ and non-GFZ makes zero sense and adds nothing to the discussion. Just because a church is a gun free zone, means nothing. Should the dead parishioners have said "Hey, you aren't supposed to have a gun in here" It should be further noted that the retarded board member of the NRA said the parishioners should have been armed, but as noted, it would have been illegal for them to do so. If the shooting were in a state that has much more strict laws, that is significant, but a limited area inside a permissive area - not so much

There is a deep and serious discussion to be had, and superfluous, and dubious "facts" need to be left out.

Thank you for your deep and meaningful opinion. It truly touched me. Somewhere.

 

[rob63]

I find this list interesting as well. It lists rampage killings worldwide according to the number of victims. A few things become quickly evident.

Rampage killings do not happen only in the US.
Rampage killings are nothing new, but go back as far as there are records.
Rampage killings do not require a firearm. They do seem to be preferred if available, but the absence of them does not seem to make much difference as killers then use knives, bombs, vehicles, flammables, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

 

[Kutnupe14]

It appears to me that the POTUS is upset because this was a "white" shooter of "black" individuals. The new SOS has already defined this as a "terrorist" attack. I also believe I heard Obama personally knew the minister who was killed. I am afraid Obama, as a lame duck, will make every effort to impose his anti gun agenda. I also am afraid the Republican congressmen/women and Senators will be too gutless to resist the effort.

I don't even know where to begin to start on this post. Ill just say, I disagree.

 

[Woobie]

In FBI murder data, mass killings often go missing
"And that isn't the only major case missing. The 12 people who were killed in an Aurora, Colo., movie watching the premier of a Batman movie aren't listed either, raising questions about the accuracy and usefulness of the federal data."


"A USA TODAY investigation into mass killings has found that the FBI's homicide data over the past decade has only a 57% accuracy rate when it comes to recording the killings of more than four people in a single event. That takes into account cases that aren't there, such as Sandy Hook, and cases that are recorded as mass killings but shouldn't be, such as the July 2012 fatal shooting of a 14-year-old Cleveland girl at a birthday party, erroneously entered as a slaying with four teen-age victims."


"Connecticut's homicide count is correct, but the FBI's detailed supplementary material includes only the shooting of Adam Lanza's mother at her home in December 2012, just before Lanza went to the elementary school. Lt. Paul Vance says his department submitted a six-page report on the Newtown school victims to the FBI but later identified a mistake. Updated data was provided too late to be reflected in the database, Vance says, but the information should be added soon"



Killing another person because of the skin colour should not be tolerated. Nor should killing someone because of their religion, political beliefs, sexual orientation, or a myriad of other reasons.

Why should this not be considered a terrorist act? What criteria are you using to define a terrorist act? Was the attempted shooting in Texas not a terrorist act? How about Charlie Hebdo? Oklahoma City Bombing?

Wow, a government agency with a 57% success rate, impressive. So are they only 57% successful when they do the criminal background check during a firearms purchase? That might explain how these guys get their hands on guns.

 

[T.Lex]

--Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”
...
I would think John Lott verified before he stated this. The article is a good read with good points to use in defense of freedom.

I found a document that appears to be some of his source material.
http://crimepreventionresearchcente...10/CPRC-Mass-Shooting-Analysis-Bloomberg2.pdf

It is basically a rebuttal of the Bloomberg "research" on the topic. But, here is how he parses it in that document:

There are only two mass public shootings since at least 1950 that have not been part of some other crime where at least four people have been killed in an area where civilians are generally allowed to have guns. These are the International House of Pancakes restaurant in Carson City, Nevada on September 6, 2011 and the Gabrielle Giffords shooting in Tucson, Arizona on January 8, 2011.

Pg. 25.

The "part of some other crime" is a strange criteria, I think. Basically, he doesn't count a robbery gone wrong or something like that.

Also, he looks only at "public" shootings. Killing 18 people in a home would not count, because it is not public.

It is a definitional issue. IMHO, the more important issue is whether the actual shooting was in a GFZ. Even if in a private residence, the victims would (arguably) have had the right to be armed - they just weren't (probably).