MDFI Defensive Shotgun 1&2 at MCFG *June 25&26, 2011*

[Sweetums]

Yeah - that was the other reasoning for picking up another shotgun. I don't expect to need a back up for the class, but just incase. I'll probably be carrying a CZ 75 for my handgun.

 

[irishfan]

Yeah - that was the other reasoning for picking up another shotgun. I don't expect to need a back up for the class, but just incase. I'll probably be carrying a CZ 75 for my handgun.

I will be bringing my extra 590 so if someone has an issue they are free to use it.

I do have a question for VUPDblue and others who may know here. How will this class stack up against a Louis Awerbuck class? I have been told by several people that Awerbuck is the best in the business is why I ask.

Thanks

 

[VUPDblue]

I will be bringing my extra 590 so if someone has an issue they are free to use it.

I do have a question for VUPDblue and others who may know here. How will this class stack up against a Louis Awerbuck class? I have been told by several people that Awerbuck is the best in the business is why I ask.

Thanks

I am not sure how this will stack up against an Awerbuck class. The classes I've been to with Louis were more about using the shotgun as a fighting tool. They included using the shotgun in a defensive role but the class was more broad than just that. This class is listed as "Defensive Shotgun" so I would presume that the curriculum is geared more towards understanding the limits of the platform, choosing the right load for your circumstances and using the platform proficiently as a defensive tool. I hope Tom or Trek chime-in with more information regarding the curriculum.

 

[VUPDblue]

Since Sweetums brought up gear, here is my rig...just for grins

 

[irishfan]

Since Sweetums brought up gear, here is my rig...just for grins

That reminds me...I need some kind of shotgun shell holder for reloads. I have a side saddle but don't really have a vest setup for this class.

 

[VUPDblue]

I'm not a big "vest" guy. I tried to set up a plate carrier for shotgunning purposes but I couldn't get used to it. I favor the "war belt" setup. It's got plenty of real estate for the few things I need to carry with me (med kit, pistol, mags, dump bag, spare shells, light) and closely mimics my patrol belt setup as far as location of pistol and mags.

 

[irishfan]

I'm not a big "vest" guy. I tried to set up a plate carrier for shotgunning purposes but I couldn't get used to it. I favor the "war belt" setup. It's got plenty of real estate for the few things I need to carry with me (med kit, pistol, mags, dump bag, spare shells, light) and closely mimics my patrol belt setup as far as location of pistol and mags.

What are those the shell holders you have on there? Are they the California customs or something like that? I have an Eagle chest rig I like but vests feel to bulky for me as well. I may buy a belt instead of doing up a new rig.

 

[VUPDblue]

Yep, California Competition Works. They are GREAT and I highly recommend them. The 4-round model works for me because I can easily strip all 4 rounds with one hand. The six round model obviously adds capacity but I prefer to grab the whole stack and know I'm getting 4. They have a newer model out now with what they call a UM84 clip that mounts to MOLLE webbing. I'm going to order a couple of those as the ones I have only have the flat steel belt clip and that doesn't work too well on my belt setup.

 

[Sweetums]

I like that belt! I was wondering about a vest setup or not...but I like that belt. Who makes it?

 

[VUPDblue]

It's an ATS War Belt. It also requires an inner belt which you can buy from ATS or anywhere else you choose. The belt I went with to support the ATS is a simple Blackhawk duty belt (inner belt).

 

[Tom Fineis]

Hey guys,

Dont get too wrapped up on gear. Bring what you have, we'll make it work. Most shotguns are used as bedroom guns and you will fight with what's on board.

We will cover set up, usage, manipulations (loading, malfs, etc). All techniques will come from a defensive approach.

 

[Sweetums]

Sshhhh!!!!

My wife doesn't have to know this... LOL.

 

[VUPDblue]

BTT! There are still a few spots left! If you are on the fence about this, now is the time to act.

 

[Sweetums]

Question for the Instructors...

I am curious as to the "mechanics" of the class. Any going prone, rolling around in gravel/mud, etc?

The reason I ask, is that I'm thinking of using a 1911 that I inherited from my father when he passed away in January. It was a carry gun for him, and I carry it on occasion as well, but that said, I'm not interested in rolling around in gravel with that particular handgun if I don't have to, either. If we are going to be in a situation to beat up a handgun, then that is cool too, but I'll just plan on shooting my CZ-75 instead. On a similar note, how many handgun rounds do we need to have on our person while we're at the firing line?

Thanks!

 

[mikerccie]

Will send a PM next - I'd like to attend - I don't see a link on how to send you my deposit.

 

[VUPDblue]

Won't be any rolling around. You should have 3 mags (one in gun, 2 on belt).

 

[Sweetums]

Won't be any rolling around.

I didn't think so. I had decided that there was NO reason to go prone with a shotgun, but I figured if I setup for the shiny 1911, then I would be wrong (per Murphy's Law).

 

[irishfan]

I'm still a firm maybe for the class. Will be able to say 100% yes or no in the next few weeks. I just picked up 4 California Copetition shell caddies to

 

[Sweetums]

Got another question...

Could someone bring along some of those fancy INgunowners.com stickers along (and perhaps some other INGO swag) to the class for us to buy? I'm all the way down by Louisville, so it's not convenient enough for me to get to the 1500 to buy those things.

Any MDFI swag that will be there too?

 

[Sweetums]

Oh, and my brand spankin' new Hawk 982 was picked up today.

I received my ATS war belt and some of it's attachments last week (Thanks to SEAL Team 6 and SKD Tactical). I've got all my buck shot. I picked up a sling at Tactical Shotgunner this past weekend. I need just a few more rounds of rifled slugs, and about 300 more rounds of birdshot to buy. It looks like about 600 rounds of 12 gauge bird shot, dumped in loosely, should mostly fill up a 5 gallon bucket.