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    rambone

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    A guy named Craig Mundie from Microsoft gave some kind of speech on introducing licensing people to use the internet. A blogger from TIME Magazine followed up and pushed the idea on her blog. The New York Times, in turn, spread the idea to their viewers.

    Why should you need a license to post things on the internet? Why on Earth would you want the Government to be able to track down all your comments you have shared online? Insane!!



    Time Magazine Pushes Draconian Internet Licensing Plan

    Establishment mouthpiece calls for web ID system that would outstrip Communist Chinese style net censorship

    Wednesday, February 3, 2010

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    Time Magazine has enthusiastically jumped on the bandwagon to back Microsoft executive Craig Mundie’s call for Internet licensing, as authorities push for a system even more stifling than in Communist China, where only people with government permission would be allowed to express free speech.

    As we reported earlier this week, during a recent conference at the Davos Economic Forum, Craig Mundie, chief research and strategy officer for Microsoft, told fellow globalists at the summit that the Internet needed to be policed by means of introducing licenses similar to drivers licenses – in other words government permission to use the web.

    His proposal was almost instantly advocated by Time Magazine, who published an article by Barbara Kiviat - one of Mundie’s fellow attendees at the elitist confab. It’s sadistically ironic that Kiviat’s columns run under the moniker “The Curious Capitalist,” since the ideas expressed in her piece go further than even the free-speech hating Communist Chinese have dared venture in terms of Internet censorship.​

    “Now, there are, of course, a number of obstacles to making such a scheme be reality,” writes Kiviat. “Even here in the mountains of Switzerland I can hear the worldwide scream go up: 'But we’re entitled to anonymity on the Internet!' Really? Are you? Why do you think that?”​

    Kiviat ludicrously compares the necessity to show identification when entering a bank vault to the apparent need for authorities to know who you are when you set up a website to take credit card payments.​

    “The truth of the matter is, the Internet is still in its Wild West phase. To a large extent, the law hasn’t yet shown up. Yet as more and more people move to town, that lawlessness is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. As human societies grow over time they develop more rigid standards for themselves in order to handle their increased size. There is no reason to think the Internet shouldn’t follow the same pattern,” she writes.​

    “The people in charge—as much as anyone can be in charge when it comes to the Internet—are thinking about it,” Kiviat barks in her conclusion, seemingly comfortable with the notion that shadowy individuals and not the Constitution itself are “in charge” of deciding who is allowed free speech.

    Despite Kiviat’s mealy-mouthed authoritarianism and feigned reasonableness in advocating such a system, Mundie’s proposal is little different to a similar system already considered by officials in Communist China to force bloggers to register their identities before they could post. At the time the idea was attacked by human rights advocates as an obvious ploy “by which the government could control information” and crack down on dissent.​

    Indeed, the proposal was deemed too severe and the Chinese government eventually backed down. So a system considered too authoritarian and too much of a threat to freedom in Communist China is seemingly just fine and dandy in the “land of the free,” according to Kiviat and her ilk.​
    Unfortunately for her, Kiviat was immediately reminded about what makes the Internet such a threat to the ruling elite for whom she is a well-trained apologist – almost every comment below her article disagreed with her.​
    “No. A thousand times no. This benefits no one but “the people in charge,” wrote one respondent.​
    “Drivers’ licenses ensure a basic level of driving competency, so that 13-year-olds don’t get drunk and drive into a schoolbus. That kind of stupidity doesn’t happen on the Internet. Enough security theater! Focus on actual security. Truly awful idea, Barbara.”
    “I, for one, welcome our new internet overlords. It will be a comforting time when “the law” comes along to protect people from themselves on the net, because gosh darn it, freedom is dangerous,” quips another. “Not to mention, standards only ever come about through coercive government action, and never through private parties responding to their own incentives.”
    I think bloggers ought to be fingerprinted, DNA tested for abnormalities and have the information safely stored in a government vault. That way when some authoritarian ruler of pit, decides you have broken his self made tyrannic law he can prosecute you,” jokes another respondent. “For being a journalist you sure are s—-d, anonymity protects the right of free speech especially when the scary internet is most dangerous in a nation that prosecutes freedom of speech and opinion. The biggest thugs and criminals you mentioned are corrupt governments. I bet you love China’s safe internet measures huh? But there are worse than China.”
    “The internet is the only thing preventing total tyranny right now, and they are trying everything they can to chill free speech. There is NO grass roots movement anywhere calling for government intervention in the internet. It is not broken. It works too well, that is a problem for tyrants,” points out another.
    Shortly after Time Magazine started peddling the proposal, the New York Times soon followed suit with a blog this morning entitled Driver’s Licenses for the Internet? which merely parrots Kiviat’s talking points.

    Of course there’s a very good reason for Time Magazine and the New York Times to be pushing for measures that would undoubtedly lead to a chilling effect on free speech which would in turn eviscerate the blogosphere.​

    Like the rest of the mainstream print dinosaurs, physical sales of Time Magazine have been plummeting, partly as a result of more people getting their news for free on the web from independent sources that don’t feed at the trough of the military-industrial complex. Ad sales for the New York Times sunk by no less than 28 per cent last year with subscriptions and street sales also falling.​

    “The Internet, where newspapers are generally free, has siphoned off circulation and advertising,” conceded an October 2009 NY Times article, which is precisely why establishment publications like the Old Gray Lady and Time are pushing proposals that would strangle the blogosphere and in turn eliminate their competition – while devastating free speech all in one foul swoop.​



    Here is the original article from TIME Magazine:


    Driver's licenses for the Internet - TIME.com

    I just went to a panel discussion about Internet security and let me tell you, it was scar-y. Between individual fraud, organized crime, corporate espionage and government spying, it's an incredibly dangerous world out there, which, according to one panelist, is growing exponentially worse.

    These are incredibly complex problems that even the smartest of the smart admit they don't have a great handle on, although Craig Mundie, Microsoft's chief research and technology officer, offered up a surprisingly simple solution that might start us down a path to dealing with them: driver's licenses for the Internet.

    The thing about the Internet is that it was never intended to be a worldwide system of mass communication. A handful of guys, all of whom knew each other, set up the Web. The anonymity that has come to be a core and cherished characteristic of the Internet didn't exist in the beginning: it was obvious who was who.

    As the Internet picked up steam and gathered more users, that stopped being the case, but at no point did anyone change the ways things worked. The Web started out being a no-authentication space and it continues to be that way to this day. Anyone can get online and no one has to say who they are. That's what enables a massive amount of cyber crime: if you're attacked from a computer, you might be able to figure out where that particular machine is located, but there's really no way to go back one step further and track the identity of the computer that hacked into the one that hacked into you.

    What Mundie is proposing is to impose authentication. He draws an analogy to automobile use. If you want to drive a car, you have to have a license (not to mention an inspection, insurance, etc). If you do something bad with that car, like break a law, there is the chance that you will lose your license and be prevented from driving in the future. In other words, there is a legal and social process for imposing discipline. Mundie imagines three tiers of Internet ID: one for people, one for machines and one for programs (which often act as proxies for the other two).

    Now, there are, of course, a number of obstacles to making such a scheme be reality. Even here in the mountains of Switzerland I can hear the worldwide scream go up: "But we're entitled to anonymity on the Internet!" Really? Are you? Why do you think that?

    Mundie pointed out that in the physical world we are implicitly comfortable with the notion that there are certain places we're not allowed to go without identifying ourselves. Are you allowed to walk down the street with no one knowing who you are? Absolutely. Are you allowed to walk into a bank vault and still not give your name? Hardly.

    It's easy to envision the same sort of differentiated structure for the Internet, Mundie said. He didn't get into examples, so here's one of mine. If you want to go to Time.com and read all about what's going on in the world, that's fine. No one needs to know who you are. But if you want to set up a site to accept credit-card donations for earthquake victims in Haiti? Well, you're going to have to show your ID for that.

    The truth of the matter is, the Internet is still in its Wild West phase. To a large extent, the law hasn't yet shown up. Yet as more and more people move to town, that lawlessness is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. As human societies grow over time they develop more rigid standards for themselves in order to handle their increased size. There is no reason to think the Internet shouldn't follow the same pattern.

    Though that's not to say it'll happen anytime soon. Governments certainly have been talking to each other about this (almost by definition, any effective efforts will have to be international in nature), but even in Europe, where there is a cyber security convention in effect, only half of the Continent's nations have signed up.

    One stumbling block that was mentioned at today's panel discussion: governments' own intelligence agencies are huge beneficiaries of the Internet's anonymity. We managed to spy on each other before the Web, but how much easier it is now that we can cruise around cyberspace without anyone even knowing we're there.

    So don't expect any changes in the short term. But do know that the people in charge—as much as anyone can be in charge when it comes to the Internet—are thinking about it.


    Here is The New York Times chiming in:
    Driver’s Licenses for the Internet? - NYTimes.com

    Today’s idea: Let’s have “driver’s licenses” for the Internet to counter online fraud, hackers and espionage, a Microsoft executive suggests.

    Internet | Maybe on your busy junket to the World Economic Forum in Davos last week you missed the panel where Craig Mundie, Microsoft’s chief research and technology officer, offered up the Internet licensing proposal above. Barbara Kiviat of the Curious Capitalist blog was there, and summarizes the idea thusly:

    Isaac Brekken for The New York Times Licenses for both wheel and Web? (Audi’s planned dashboard screen, right.)
    What Mundie is proposing is to impose authentication. He draws an analogy to automobile use. If you want to drive a car, you have to have a license (not to mention an inspection, insurance, etc.). If you do something bad with that car, like break a law, there is the chance that you will lose your license and be prevented from driving in the future. In other words, there is a legal and social process for imposing discipline. Mundie imagines three tiers of Internet I.D.: one for people, one for machines and one for programs (which often act as proxies for the other two).

    Now, there are, of course, a number of obstacles to making such a scheme be reality. Even here in the mountains of Switzerland I can hear the worldwide scream go up: “But we’re entitled to anonymity on the Internet!” Really? Are you? Why do you think that?

    Mundie [above] pointed out that in the physical world we are implicitly comfortable with the notion that there are certain places we’re not allowed to go without identifying ourselves. Are you allowed to walk down the street with no one knowing who you are? Absolutely. Are you allowed to walk into a bank vault and still not give your name? Hardly.
    The Internet was never originally intended as a worldwide system of mass communication, Ms. Kiviat notes, let alone a largely anonymous one. But that is what it grew into, replete with feisty commenters like those reacting to her post. [The Curious Capitalist]
     

    Joe Williams

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    The so-called "mainstream media" is dying, being killed by the internet. The elite few who have had exclusive access to the public voice have lost control over who gets to speak, and what opinions get heard.

    Reckon they've decided the first amendment only applies to the chosen few... is anybody really surprised mainstream media is trying to silence voices and opinions which they have't been able to exercise control over?
     
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    I like Glenn Beck's comments on the MSM a couple months back. With the low ratings that they are experiencing, shouldn't they now be referred to as "fringe" instead of FOX?
     

    jedi

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    Lets see we have 246.8 million users in the US based on this:
    http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm

    If we charge each one a $100 yearly fee which is very reasonable then we get
    246.8 * 1,000,000 * 100 = $246,800,000,000

    Which I think is 246 billion dollars right?

    Hum won't think new fee help lower our debt? Heck we could probably pay for ObamaCare now. YES WE CAN!!!
     

    mrjarrell

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    Add into this the fact that the FBI now wants ISP's to track each web page you go to and store it for 2 years and you have quite the little tyranny going.
     

    indykid

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    I think idiots like Craig Mundie should be required to get a license to prove they are humans and not some poorly done clone.
     

    CarmelHP

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    Time magazine? Oh, **** them!:fawk:And I don't need to show any "papers" to write it.
     
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    level.eleven

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    Bring it on. The black and white hats will team up to form darknets. Then the fun will really begin. Sort of like The Matrix, only real life.
     

    TopDog

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    Bring it on. The black and white hats will team up to form darknets. Then the fun will really begin. Sort of like The Matrix, only real life.

    Oh yes indeed. The other side would grow like weeds. Just like what happened during prohibition.

    rambone you start some of the best threads! Rep sent...
     

    kludge

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    We've already accepted that fact that the government can get away with licensing us to trim nails, cut hair, and do virtually any other type of business in our "free market" -- all for our own good. We are required to have a license to drive, to carry a handgun, to beg money on the street corner...

    All because a few people got screwed and said "there should be a law!!!!"

    We've already given them permission to spy on us, listen to our phone calls, and they already know every detail of our financial lives. We allow them to restrict us on how much cash we can deposit or take out of the bank, or carry with us on vacation to a foreign country. All in the name of fighting crime -- for our own good and security.

    Why not require a license to post on the internet?

    Our petty whining and foot stamping is too little, too late. We've had it too good for too long, and no one alive even knows the meaning of liberty anymore.
     

    Garb

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    Maybe we should start requiring people to get licenses before they can start handing out licenses. Then it will be an infinite regress and no one will ever be able to require licenses for anything anymore. I love loopholes. :D
     

    MTC

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    We've already accepted that fact that the government can get away with licensing us to trim nails, cut hair, and do virtually any other type of business in our "free market" -- all for our own good. We are required to have a license to drive, to carry a handgun, to beg money on the street corner...

    All because a few people got screwed and said "there should be a law!!!!"

    We've already given them permission to spy on us, listen to our phone calls, and they already know every detail of our financial lives. We allow them to restrict us on how much cash we can deposit or take out of the bank, or carry with us on vacation to a foreign country. All in the name of fighting crime -- for our own good and security.

    Why not require a license to post on the internet?

    Our petty whining and foot stamping is too little, too late. We've had it too good for too long, and no one alive even knows the meaning of liberty anymore.

    After all, these are just "common sense" laws and "reasonable regulations". No one is trampling on your right to free speech, you just have to be licensed and registered. Once that's established, a "controlling legal authority" will decide the criteria you must meet to keep your license.

    Take a look at the poll and approximately 37% of the responses in this thread:
    https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...74059-indiana_ltch_training_requirements.html
     

    TopDog

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    After all, these are just "common sense" laws and "reasonable regulations". No one is trampling on your right to free speech, you just have to be licensed and registered. Once that's established, a "controlling legal authority" will decide the criteria you must meet to keep your license.

    Take a look at the poll and approximately 37% of the responses in this thread:
    https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...74059-indiana_ltch_training_requirements.html

    Look at the poll what is being asked and what the response is:

    "I would support minimum training to gain wider acceptance."

    I don't like the idea of having a slip of paper to allow me to carry in the first place. But that is the law in effect. Now if you want to play you better play by the rules or pay the piper. So if I want to carry in a state that does not accept the Indiana LTCH I either have to obtain yet another permission slip like the UTAH permit (which I have) OR I could get my state to do something to get the Indiana LTCH accepted by more states. For me it's simple - one permit is easier to maintain than several.
    I voted for "I would support minimum training to gain wider acceptance." and I don't think they are just "common sense" laws and "reasonable regulations". But if I want to carry in other states then...

    Now I'm going off topic. Back on target - Having a permit to use the internet is ludicrous. I don't think it will happen but then I didn't think Obama had a chance either, what do I know.
     

    MTC

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    Look at the poll what is being asked and what the response is:

    "I would support minimum training to gain wider acceptance."

    I don't like the idea of having a slip of paper to allow me to carry in the first place. But that is the law in effect. Now if you want to play you better play by the rules or pay the piper. So if I want to carry in a state that does not accept the Indiana LTCH I either have to obtain yet another permission slip like the UTAH permit (which I have) OR I could get my state to do something to get the Indiana LTCH accepted by more states. For me it's simple - one permit is easier to maintain than several.
    I voted for "I would support minimum training to gain wider acceptance." and I don't think they are just "common sense" laws and "reasonable regulations". But if I want to carry in other states then...

    Now I'm going off topic. Back on target - Having a permit to use the internet is ludicrous. I don't think it will happen but then I didn't think Obama had a chance either, what do I know.

    You're not off topic, it is the same topic, or principle, anyway. Everyone is against the licensing and registration scheme. Yet once such a law is in effect and firmly established, some will do anything to be more accepted by other more restrictive states or entities, to keep things simpler and easier to maintain. :)
     
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    TopDog

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    You're not off topic, it is same topic, or principle, anyway. Everyone is against the licensing and registration scheme. Yet once such a law is in effect and firmly established, some will do anything to be more accepted by other more restrictive states or entities, to keep things simpler and easier to maintain. :)

    I see your point. It's a circle you cant escape once you are in it.
     

    thompal

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    Lets see we have 246.8 million users in the US based on this:
    http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm

    If we charge each one a $100 yearly fee which is very reasonable then we get
    246.8 * 1,000,000 * 100 = $246,800,000,000

    Which I think is 246 billion dollars right?

    Hum won't think new fee help lower our debt? Heck we could probably pay for ObamaCare now. YES WE CAN!!!

    No, because it will cost twice that to install and monitor equipment which will detect and locate unlicensed internet users. Plus, the required SWAT teams which will be used to arrest violators will cost a fortune.
     
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