I'm sorry. I didn't realize the 4 rules were negotiable based on location.
Common sense tells me that if I own private property near the US/Mexico border and I want to dress in camo and carry a long gun in defense of that property I'm gonna let the USBP know that I'm out there.
I am as well. My point is that the border patrol guys are down there working in a difficult position (to say the least). I don't know how this thing played out and I don't know if the agent was negligent or the militia member was a complete idiot, or both. I'm prepared to give at least a little benefit of the doubt to the agents when something like this happens. I don't expect them to wait until someone shoots at them to determine if a guy in camo with a long gun is friend or foe.
I'm sorry. I didn't realize the 4 rules were negotiable based on location.
It has nothing to do with location. It's entirely based on jewelry.
Ok I cherry picked this one sentence, but I have to ask - why was the agent attempting to apprehend the illegals and firing on the legal?I have to ask, though, what you think should happen, given that the agents have been sent to the border area to attempt to apprehend those trespassing into our country?
Approval from who?What it screams to me is "If you're gonna' go play Army, you better announce your intentions well in advance and get prior approval".
Ok I cherry picked this one sentence, but I have to ask - why was the agent attempting to apprehend the illegals and firing on the legal?
And I'm with 88 on this one: RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET.
In the end I suppose this is a case of no harm, no foul.
Still comes back to the safety rules.As I read it, the illegals were to be apprehended because they were not committing a crime of force... they were just *here*, as far as we know. And hindsight is 20/20... he was firing (at the time) on the unknown (who turned out to be legal) who his half-second assessment told him "GUN!" and he determined was a threat. Incorrectly, as it turns out, but again... hindsight is 20/20.
To be clear, I'm not an apologist for unsafe acts... I can certainly see how this one happened, though.
So what do you know about Border Patrol firearms training and recurrent qualification?Imagine what would have happened if the Border Patrol agent had been better trained with his firearms...
I guess I don't get your points. Of course the Border Patrol is chasing illegals on the U.S. side. If they were chasing them on the Mexican side, the Border Patrol would be the illegals. They lost contact with the people they were chasing because they were distracted by a man with a gun, dressed in camo. Securing the border is not possible. Maintaining some measure of control is. I think the agent identified the target well enough. It was a man with a gun.They are still chasing illegals on the U.S. side of the border. They admit they lost contact with the ones they were chasing. But there are enough to secure the border and they don't need help? Right.
Common sense says you don't shoot at a target you haven't identified.
Yes, just more Monday morning quarterbacking with little information. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.Easy to say from the cornfields of Indiana
I didn't read where the man with a gun dressed in camo, owned the property. I only read that he had permission to be there.Well, if it is your property, they should assume you are already on it.
I didn't read where the man with a gun dressed in camo, owned the property. I only read that he had permission to be there.
Imagine what would have happened if the Border Patrol agent had been better trained with his firearms...
So, I need prior approval from the government to protect private property?
Still comes back to the safety rules.
how many times do we condemn the homeowner for shooting first and asking questions later because the end result was the death of a loved one? This is no different.
I am as well. My point is that the border patrol guys are down there working in a difficult position (to say the least). I don't know how this thing played out and I don't know if the agent was negligent or the militia member was a complete idiot, or both. I'm prepared to give at least a little benefit of the doubt to the agents when something like this happens. I don't expect them to wait until someone shoots at them to determine if a guy in camo with a long gun is friend or foe.
To bring this back to the cornfields of Indiana. I am dressed in my usual business tactical and out in my woods (or cornfield) with a long arm. I may be out there for any reason...even one that has to do with making sure someone is not stashing meth labs on my property. There is a manhunt in progress which I may or may not know about. A deputy or trooper sees me and just starts shooting? I don't see that being SOP.