More FBI BS

[wtburnette]

REPORT: FBI Undercounts Good Guys With Guns Who Stop Mass Shootings

The FBI allegedly undercounted data showing how often armed citizens thwarted active-shooter situations over the past eight years, according to a new report.

dailycaller.com

 

[Expat]

I doubt the Gestapo ever disagreed with their Nazi Party masters either.

 

[tomcat13]

...“the FBI database of active shooters cannot be trusted” and that the FBI’s underreporting could be the result of “bias or just incompetence.”
Really?
FBI Biased or Incompetent?
Say it Ain't So Joe!

 

[Destro]

I think most of the FBI's databases have always relied on voluntary submission of data by local LE, so they are all suspect but I don't get this one:

"The FBI listed the incident as having been stopped by a security guard, even though the parishioner who fatally shot the suspect had simply volunteered to provide security and was not a professional"

That is one of the prime examples they could come up with?

 

[drillsgt]

I think most of the FBI's databases have always relied on voluntary submission of data by local LE, so they are all suspect but I don't get this one:

"The FBI listed the incident as having been stopped by a security guard, even though the parishioner who fatally shot the suspect had simply volunteered to provide security and was not a professional"

That is one of the prime examples they could come up with?

You don't think that example in and of itself shows bias?

 

[Vanguard.45]

The FBI, pretty much from their second inception, has been a politicized (and often weaponized) investigative body loyal to the powers that be in DC as opposed to an organization dedicated to preserving the Constitutional freedoms of the citizenry. Only recently have the common folks' eyes begun to be opened to this fact.

 

[Ingomike]

The FBI, pretty much from their second inception, has been a politicized (and often weaponized) investigative body loyal to the powers that be in DC as opposed to an organization dedicated to preserving the Constitutional freedoms of the citizenry. Only recently have the common folks' eyes begun to be opened to this fact.

While I mostly agree, they have not been loyal republicans Presidents in decades…

 

[Vanguard.45]

While I mostly agree, they have not been loyal republicans Presidents in decades…

The Republicans have not had real power in DC for decades. Not ruthless enough.

 

[Destro]

You don't think that example in and of itself shows bias?

Do I think classifying someone as a security guard instead of a "volunteer providing security" is an example of bias?

Absolutely not.

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[BehindBlueI's]

The FBI is just a clearing house. The data comes from the submitting departments, and drill down and it's actually submitted by individual officers. Our current software is mostly drop down boxes, but information may not be known at the time of the initial report. We have an office that is supposed to make sure reports are in compliance, but in compliance doesn't always mean correct. GIGO theory applies.

Additionally, not all departments report. It's actually a fairly burdensome process and smaller departments have little incentive to participate nor do they have the manpower to check compliance and accuracy in reporting.

The FBI listed the incident as having been stopped by a security guard, even though the parishioner who fatally shot the suspect had simply volunteered to provide security and was not a professional, according to the report.

Um, ok. I don't think "do you get paid to be a guard" is part of UCR/NIBRS, but I guess you can be outraged if you squint hard enough. Either way it's a private citizen.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

A basic recap for those with little time to read through it:

The FBI statistics indicate that armed citizens thwart only 4.4% of active/mass shooters.

This study indicates it is 34.4% because the FBI massively under counts active shooter stopped by civilians situations.

When looking at when the shooting occurs in places when concealed carry is allowed (i,e, not GFZs) that percentage rises to above 50% in each of the last seven years, averaging 51%.

(using math, it looks like for GFZ, or that the study could not determine whether guns were allowed, that drops to 12.8%)

Here's the study site:

Massive errors in FBI’s Active Shooting Reports regarding cases where civilians stop attacks: Instead of 4.4%, the correct number is at least 34.4%. In 2021, it is at least 49.1%. Excluding gun-free zones, it averaged over 50%.

FBI ACTIVE SHOOTER DATABASE is available here for people who want to check all the casesDownload Data: For convenience, a PDF of the Excel file is also available here and a webpage with the list an…

crimeresearch.org

 

[BigRed]

Former FBI agent sounds off on 'drastic' shift in bureau: 'People are terrified'

Former FBI agent Nicole Parker discusses the politicization of the FBI as the bureau faces scrutiny over its handling of past investigations and whistleblowers.

www.foxbusiness.com

This piece of **** agency needs to be abolished.

 

[drillsgt]

Former FBI agent sounds off on 'drastic' shift in bureau: 'People are terrified'

Former FBI agent Nicole Parker discusses the politicization of the FBI as the bureau faces scrutiny over its handling of past investigations and whistleblowers.

www.foxbusiness.com

This piece of **** agency needs to be abolished.

Some here always jump in to defend them though.

 

[BigRed]

Some here always jump in to defend them though.

Liberty is very unpopular.

 

[wcd]

Liberty is very unpopular.

And some leave for very good reasons.

 

[BigRed]

And some leave for very good reasons.

Perhaps.

 

[wcd]

Perhaps.

I can say there are far better places to work absent the BS, where yes you can make a difference.

 

[Usmccookie]

Some here always jump in to defend them though.

I’ll jump in…

Guys we need the fbi. How else are we going to keep track of all the insurrectionists singing the national anthem? Who cares if they’re kids…

 

[Gabriel]

You don't think that example in and of itself shows bias?

Yeah, the fact that it infers in some way that security guards are professionals does bother me a bit.

 

[Gabriel]

I’ll jump in…

Guys we need the fbi. How else are we going to keep track of all the insurrectionists singing the national anthem? Who cares if they’re kids…

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