My battle with the TSA - time to push back hard

[INGunGuy]

Well folks I'm flying out to my Dads next week for Thanksgiving , yes flying , but as normal I'm going to take it just a little bit further.
I think that if TSA has to deal with very many people like me they will stop on their own .
Here the PLAN

I have a sample pack of Viagra which I will be taking a 50mg about an hour before the flight . I won't be wearing underwear . I will be wear some thin white scrubs. I will demand a pat down .

Sorry in advance if anyone just threw up

Wow, that is absolutely the BEST idea I have heard yet.... I hope your raging boner gets them all hot and bothered... LOL

INGunGuy

 

[TRWXXA]

All the way to the bank, man, all the way to the bank. You dropkick some guy for grabbing the boys and let the lawyers feast on the "outrageous treatment of an American Hero".

Think they'd refuse this guy if he said "You're not patting me down"...

The SS Gestapo... I mean, "TSA" will just try to take his medal away -- like they did with "Smokey Joe" Foss' medal.

(I'm tired... Google it yourself.)

 

[PatriotPride]

All I can say is, no TSA-employed pedophiles are going to be viewing my kids naked, and they WON'T be patting them down either.

Period.

So we're never flying again.

This. TSA will be among the first to go.

 

[PatriotPride]

A friend recently asked me about why I oppose the nude body scans and the sexual assault pat downs, specifically the value of giving up personal privacy for increased security. Two things I would like to say about this.

1. The nude scans and sexual assault pat-downs do not increase security. These methods can be circumvented without too much difficulty. CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) has already demanded that Muslim women must not be assaulted in this way and the TSA is currently allowing these women to board without the nude scan or the sexual assault. Only those of us in Western attire are subjected to this assault. Further, it is possible to mount things so close to the body orifices that even these sexual assaults can't distinguish a foreign object from a natural part of the body. So, how are we really any safer? Accept it. They do not work effectively—no matter what the child molesters at TSA say.

2. Less invasive methods have been used effectively for years by El Al, the Israeli airline. This method increases security and does not forfeit basic human rights and Constitutionally guaranteed liberties. El Al uses an interview strategy. Before the passenger gets to the check-in counter, El Al examines the passenger by pointed questioning. I have done this twice. The questioner is polite, but knows how test the validity of previous answers. Incongruities lead to further investigation.

They ask about how the ticket was purchased, where you have been, when, where you are going, why, who did you meet, what did you do, what baggage you have, etc. I had to give uncommon answers on two occasions and I had a very long conversation with the guy.

Does this work? Yes!! When was the last time an El Al flight was compromised? The 1980s! This method works! No need for nude photos or sexual assaults.

Push back!! Opt out! Demand our legislators stand up for Hoosiers as is happening in the otherwise demented state of New Jersey!

State warning to TSA: Stop breaking the law

To borrow a phrase for a famous fake American—YES WE CAN! We can stop this sexual assault!

I've been saying this for years. Very nicely done---rep'd.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Beg pardon? Are you saying Muslim women are exempt from being strip searched or sexually assaulted at the airport, while Christian, Budhist, Wiccan, etc., women are required to submit to those procedures? Do you have a link showing this exemption? If there is such an exemption, it would seem to violate both the 1st and 14th Amendment protections of those other women.

Joe, respectfully, here is the documentation to go along with my personal observations.

Napolitano May Exempt Muslims From Airport Pat-Downs
Last Updated: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 4:52pm

As the U.S. government retaliates against an American for refusing to allow airport security to grope his genitals, the nation’s Homeland Security secretary considers waving the intrusive “pat-downs” for Muslim women who consider them offensive.

The demand came last week from the politically-connected Muslim rights organization that serves as the U.S. front for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Calling the searches “invasive” and “humiliating,” the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) advises Muslim women wearing religious head covers known as hijabs to reject full-body checks before boarding planes.

Those who are selected for the secondary screenings should remind Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officers that they are only supposed to pat down the head and neck and that they should not subject Muslim women to a full-body or partial body pat-down, according to CAIR’s advisory. It further says that, instead of a body search, Muslim women can request to check their own hijab and have officers perform a chemical swipe of their hands.

While Americans are forced to deal with the degrading searches, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is actually considering exempting Muslims as per CAIR’s demands. Madame Secretary confirmed this week that there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue of Muslim women in hijabs undergoing airport security pat-downs.

In the meantime her agency is targeting a San Diego man who received worldwide media coverage for refusing to let a TSA agent conduct a thorough body search that he felt amounted to a “sexual assault.” Referring to his genitals, the man told the TSA officer; “you touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested.”

The head of TSA in San Diego called a press conference this week to announce that the agency has launched an investigation into the 31-year-old software programmer who was not allowed to board the plane. The feds plan to prosecute and fine him thousands of dollars for making them look bad. Actually, the official charge is leaving the airport’s security area without permission, which is prohibited to prevent terrorism.

Speaking of, TSA’s lapses over the years have certainly left the country vulnerable to another terrorist attack. The agency in charge of securing the nation’s transportation system has approved background checks for illegal immigrants working in sensitive areas of a busy U.S. airport and has failed miserably to ensure the security of tens of thousands of cargo packages transported daily in the bellies of passenger planes.

Just last week a Massachusetts news station revealed that TSA cleared dozens of illegal immigrants to train as pilots in the U.S., despite “strict security controls” implemented after 9/11. Some of the illegal immigrants provided the station with official TSA documents approving pilot lessons through the agency’s alien flight student program. After the story broke, Homeland Security officials promised to “review the process” for clearing foreign nationals to become licensed pilots.

Again, it is only the citizens in Western dress who are being subjected to this sexual assault. It is a violation of the Constitution, as you indicated. It is time to stand against it.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Finally, someone has filed the lawsuit to stop systematic violations of the 4th amendment for citizens of the USA. It is surpassing strange that President Hussein and his appointee Napolitano demand Americans be strip searched or sexually assaulted, but will exempt Muslim women for "religious reasons." It appears, we are already living under Sharia.

Big Sis Napolitano sued for 'degrading' searches

 

[mrjarrell]

Lest you forget, Michael Chertoff is a major lobbyist for the strip search machines and has been instrumental in getting them installed. Plenty of blame to go around on this one. As for people being excluded due to religious beliefs...the TSA said yesterday that it's a non starter. Submit or don't fly. No-one's excluded from this travesty.
If you won't submit to screening, you won't fly, TSA says

 

[ATOMonkey]

Lest you forget, Michael Chertoff is a major lobbyist for the strip search machines and has been instrumental in getting them installed. Plenty of blame to go around on this one. As for people being excluded due to religious beliefs...the TSA said yesterday that it's a non starter. Submit or don't fly. No-one's excluded from this travesty.
If you won't submit to screening, you won't fly, TSA says

Actually, it's submit or else. Once you're in line you either get strip searched, or you go to jail and/or pay a fine.

Simply turning around at the check point and going home is not an option.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

Lest you forget, Michael Chertoff is a major lobbyist for the strip search machines and has been instrumental in getting them installed. Plenty of blame to go around on this one. As for people being excluded due to religious beliefs...the TSA said yesterday that it's a non starter. Submit or don't fly. No-one's excluded from this travesty.
If you won't submit to screening, you won't fly, TSA says

Government is a sesspool of solutions looking for a problem.

It is sad indeed that former administration officials engage in selling junk to current administration officials. Moreso that it is not only a revolving door, but a revolving cycle. Republicans are out of power so they are the industry representatives selling to Democrats. The reverse will occur when the Democrats areout of power.

The answer is to take control of one of the parties and clean the swamp. I am hopeful this could be the time. But the reality is that corporations run the world.

Until then, keep your sights on the goal and your hands over your package.

 

[TRWXXA]

Actually, it's submit or else. Once you're in line you either get strip searched, or you go to jail and/or pay a fine.

Simply turning around at the check point and going home is not an option.

Even if SCOTUS has determined (wrongfully, I might add) that wanting to get on a plane requires surrendiring your Fourth Amendment rights, how the f*** does NOT wanting to get on a plane require it?

A person leaving a secure area is NOT A SECURITY THREAT. This is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT making up an excuse to hold you against your will and search your property. "You're wanting to leave gives us reasonable suspicion that you have something to hide." That's the kind of logic a 5-year old would use.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. -- United States Constitution, Amendment IV

 

[MACHINEGUN]

I haven't flown on a plane since way before Sept. 11th, 2001.. and I never will.

 

[T-rav]

Anyone wanna go in and get a charter and throw a non-tsa party for a few hours flying in circles?

 

[shibumiseeker]

Anyone wanna go in and get a charter and throw a non-tsa party for a few hours flying in circles?

$1850/hour was the cheapest I found for my flight. That was a mid-sized turbo-prop.

 

[88GT]

I recently flew to Los Angeles. I arrived at about 3AM, when there were no flights taking off for about 2.5 hours. There were 23 TSA agents at the security gate. 23! No passengers were allowed to enter the secure for another 2 hours. It took 23 people to secure the are. One cop with a gun or dog, or a door would have covered it. Instead, 23 former ... You get the picture.

Wouldn't it just have been simpler to say they were federal employees?

How about TSA hands DOWN your pants?

TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants

How would any of this prevented 9/11? Someone explain that to me.

Oh, that poor gentleman.

I usually wear baggy clothes. If they stick their hands down my pants they are going to get a surprise. I've been commando since 1983 when I was a young paratrooper running around in the woods during North Carolina's humid summers.

Underwear is redundant.

Consider yourself repped in theory (must share the love a little more).

Well folks I'm flying out to my Dads next week for Thanksgiving , yes flying , but as normal I'm going to take it just a little bit further.
I think that if TSA has to deal with very many people like me they will stop on their own .
Here the PLAN

I have a sample pack of Viagra which I will be taking a 50mg about an hour before the flight . I won't be wearing underwear . I will be wear some thin white scrubs. I will demand a pat down .

Sorry in advance if anyone just threw up

I demand an AAR and/or mugshot.

Lest you forget, Michael Chertoff is a major lobbyist for the strip search machines and has been instrumental in getting them installed. Plenty of blame to go around on this one. As for people being excluded due to religious beliefs...the TSA said yesterday that it's a non starter. Submit or don't fly. No-one's excluded from this travesty.
If you won't submit to screening, you won't fly, TSA says

Little chance of that with you here to remind us.

 

[thompal]

I called the TSA and asked what security checks my family and I would have to go through to fly.

I told them I wanted to opt out of the scanners and he said they would do a pat down.

He said to me that was a condition of flying and they have the right to do it. I told him he is searching the wrong people and the TSA is not going to feel up my wife or 13 year old daughter.

You should have informed him that he was sadly mistaken. As a government agent, he has NO RIGHTS that are superior to yours. In addition, he has NO AUTHORITIES that are NOT SPECIFICALLY granted to the government by the Constitution. If he can find the part in Article I, Section 8 that discusses the groping of groping teenagers, you would like to see it. Otherwise, his actions would be sexual battery of a minor, sexual deviant conduct, illegal search without a warrant, invasion of privacy, and whatever else you could think of off the top of your head.

These people just **** me off, and I don't even fly!

I would encourage everyone to approach the checkpoints stark raving nude. When the ticket agents ask for your ticket, hand it to them and tell them where you had to store it since you had no pockets.

And to think, the airlines now charge you to bring on carry-on luggage, charge you for lunch, charge you for peanuts, charge you for drinks, charge you for blankets and pillows, etc etc.

Tell me again why people put up with this BS???

 

[thompal]

My wife travels for work extensively, typically three days a week. Our family's livelihood depends greatly on her ability to travel by air.
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[thompal]

One of the core causes for this garbage is PC gone wild.

"Oh NO, we can't PROFILE, we might offend someone!"

Show me the last time a 13yo girl, or an 80yo grandma, was caught with a bomb boarding a plane, and I MIGHT be a little more understanding.

If this is true, it paints this all in a different color:

Obama Gives a Pass: TSA Won’t Touch Muslims’ Junk | Floyd Reports

 

[thompal]

Shouldn't the real fight be why we have a .gov agency managing airport/airline security anyway? Why aren't the airlines in charge of their own security? Last night on the news they were reading comments from their web article on the Opt Out and someone made the comment that flying was a privilege, not a right. Don't protest the TSA policies, protest the TSA.

We have lost sight of true freedom in America. We have accepted the premise of a totalitarian government in this country and now our arguments are fought on those terms. We rage against Obamacare as expanded welfare while accepting welfare in general as OK. How many of you have taken advantage of welfare? Taken any state scholarships, attended publicly funded schools?

You have to get licenses and permission to hold a protest in this country! We tax property so that if I were jobless I couldn’t simply go live on my farm, I have to pay rent/taxes or lose it. We no longer question if the government can direct our lives, dictate morality and manage our health; we only try to draw lines and say “this time you can’t cross it.”

Well said on all counts!! If anyone thinks that government is the answer, then they are asking the wrong question.

 

[TRWXXA]

Remember about 6 or 7 years ago when the airlines wanted to run basic credit checks on people purchasing a ticket with a credit card? Anyone who paid cash or had no extended credit history was going to get the full TSA shakedown. The idea was that they were going to check for a credit history, just to see if the traveller had one -- the 9/11 hijackers paid cash for their tickets, and had no credit history (it's hard to get credit when you list your occupation as, "Terrorist"). Sure seemed like a simple, no-nonsense way to separate potential terrorists from the other 99.9% of the population.

But then a bunch of knuckleheads started screaming, "Invasion of privacy!!!", "Poor people won't be able to fly!!", "The airlines are going to deny us tickets if we have bad credit!!", and other nonsense. The plan died a quick and silent death.

To those who whined about that: THANKS ALOT, DUMB@SSES!! I HOPE YOU ENJOY HAVING A SWEATY, 300-POUND GOVERNMENT DRONE GRABBING YOUR HOO-HA, AND OGLING NAKED PICTURES OF YOUR 13-YEAR OLD DAUGHTER!

 

[thompal]

TSA Pats Down 3-Year-Old - As luck would have it, girl is daughter of TV reporter