My Personal Rant About The 2012 ElectionI wrote this on my Facebook page. I hav

[rockhopper46038]

said it before and I'll say it again, those complaining about who someone else is voting for just doesn't get America...

They took the time to register to vote

They took the time to find a candidate who they agree with

They care enough to get to the polls and cast their vote


If you want to make a difference, stop wasting your breath on people who are participating in our election process and go get the OTHER HALF OF THIS COUNTRY who doesn't bother to vote.

If all of those people who think "my vote doesn't matter" got out and voted, the could put anyone they wanted in office.

Please, stop chastising Ron Paul or Gary Johnson supporters, the probably know a lot more about their candidate than you do yours.

Excellent post. As for the part I bolded, it's likely they know more about YOUR candidate than you do as well.

 

[Stschil]

Technically, that would be a noun. And more specifically, a gerund.

But to the content of your post: is that your opinion of everyone who will cast a vote for Romney this November, or just one person based on the totality of his posts?

Noun, of course. I was think of the action (or non-action really) of being vigilant.

Totality of circumstance in this case. In other threads I have written that if he fits the persons ideological viewpoint. By all means, cast your support, if he does not and the support is predicated on the fact that he has a chance to win, regardless of whether the ideology fits, then it's motivated by short term self comfort not for the future of the Nation. Then again, maybe that's his ideology, which, unfortunately, is indicative of the reason why we have the mess We are in now.

 

[hooky]

No, it's not ridiculous. It's an analogy on compromise.

Compromise within an already elected body does not equate to a compromise in my vote to fill that elected body with my representative. Telling me to compromise my vote is dilution of my principles before the compromise on those principles even begins within the elected body.

I'm sure you don't put yourself at a disadvantage before you even begin to negotiate a real estate transaction. Why should I put myself at a similar disadvantage before my elected representative is in a position to begin the process of compromise?

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I'm just curious. Other than you and those denigrating folks who might vote for Johnson, who said that Johnson is the Messiah, here, or anywhere else?

Hyperbole, friend. Except that it seems to be true that the most vocal Libertarian supporters on this forum appear to believe that if only THEIR candidate would be elected, all would be well and the Republic would be saved, disregarding the fallacy inherent in believing that one person in government - even the President - would be effective in the absence of like-minded fellows.

The idea that it would be preferable to take over the decision-making for one of the major political parties (of which the "Paulites" and the TEA Party took separate, but similar routes) seems to be anathema, even though the Libertarian Party has made practically no inroads on the national political scene by itself.

 

[mrjarrell]

I love the days of vinyl records. It's always so interesting when they get stuck in the groove an replay the same passage again and again.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I love the days of vinyl records. It's always so interesting when they get stuck in the groove an replay the same passage again and again.

These threads are often echoes of earlier ones, I agree. One side is throwing their vote away and the other is perpetuating the status quo seems one of the chorus lines.

 

[PINski1015]

I wrote this on my Facebook page.

I have been reading where people here on Facebook are saying they are voting for the
Anti Semite Loon Ron Paul,or Gary Johnson.
Then they say the will sleep better knowing they will sleep better knowing they voted someone they believed in.
Will you sleep better knowing that vote will reelect Barack Milhous Capone Stalin?
Will you sleep better knowing you destroyed America's future?Or the future of your children or grandchildren.
You would not pick up a gun and shoot your children or grandchildren.
But you might as well,As you have doomed them to a live of Socialist slavery.
You need to get past what ever stupid ideas you have about making a morally superior vote not voting for Mitt Romney.
I will vote for Mitt on November 6,2012.Mitt was not my first choice,or my second,or third or even my fourth.
But Mitt is the nominee so get these wacked out ideas out of your head about voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
Voting for them means voting for Obama and destroying America's future.
And the future of your children and grandchildren.
I do not want to explain to my children and grandchildren why America is no longer a free nation.
Ronald Reagan summed it up best with this quote,
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.

We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."We could be that generation that loses freedom.
Please do not throw it away with a vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or some other fringe loony toon candidate.

The butt hurt is strong with this one.

 

[sepe]

Wrong again. You're forgetting that to Libertarians, getting their guy elected President will magically transform the Supreme Court as well as the rest of the government. No mere Republican can be wise enough to choose a properly motivated Supreme Court Justice.

Where do you buy whatever it is you're smoking? You assume you know what people that won't vote for Romney (or any other establishment Republican) are thinking. Even though we both know you're the brightest mind to ever grace the pages of INGO, you MAY be a bit wrong (I know, you've never been wrong before).

 

[NomadS]

Yes, I am serious. Romney has shown me nothing to prove that he is worthy of my support or trust. If he went along with MA politics happily while having differing opinions and beliefs, I would take issue with him on that. If he is going to appoint people that will follow the Constitution, he is appointing people that would oppose his most consistent beliefs and statements.

Courts & The Constitution | Mitt Romney for President

Mitt Romney’s view of the Constitution is straightforward: its words have meaning. The founding generation adopted a written constitution for a reason. They intended to limit the powers of government according to enduring principles. The job of the judge is to enforce the Constitution’s restraints on government and, where the Constitution does not speak, to leave the governance of the nation to elected representatives.
At times over the past hundred years, some justices of the Supreme Court did not carry out that duty. There were occasions when the Supreme Court declined to enforce the restrictions on power the Framers had so carefully enumerated. At other points, the Court created entirely new constitutional rights out of “penumbras” and “emanations” of the Constitution, abandoning serious analysis of the Constitution’s text, structure, and history.
Mitt believes in the rule of law, and he understands that the next president will make nominations that will shape the Supreme Court and the whole of the judiciary for decades to come. He will therefore appoint wise, experienced, and restrained judges who will take seriously their oath to discharge their duties impartially in accordance with the Constitution and laws — not their own personal policy preferences.


​

You really think that is not better than Obama's view of SCOTUS?


Supreme Court possibilities if Obama is reelected - CNN.com is a list of people Obama is considering.

• Kamala Harris, California attorney general author of "Smart on Crime.
• Judge Paul Watford, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Judge Jacqueline Hong-Ngoc Nguyen, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Kathryn Ruemmler, White House counsel
• Lisa Madigan, Illinois attorney general
• Mary Murguia, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Judge Diane Wood, 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, Chicago
• Judge Merrick Garland, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit

Really?

 

[sepe]

Courts & The Constitution | Mitt Romney for President

Mitt Romney’s view of the Constitution is straightforward: its words have meaning. The founding generation adopted a written constitution for a reason. They intended to limit the powers of government according to enduring principles. The job of the judge is to enforce the Constitution’s restraints on government and, where the Constitution does not speak, to leave the governance of the nation to elected representatives.
At times over the past hundred years, some justices of the Supreme Court did not carry out that duty. There were occasions when the Supreme Court declined to enforce the restrictions on power the Framers had so carefully enumerated. At other points, the Court created entirely new constitutional rights out of “penumbras” and “emanations” of the Constitution, abandoning serious analysis of the Constitution’s text, structure, and history.
Mitt believes in the rule of law, and he understands that the next president will make nominations that will shape the Supreme Court and the whole of the judiciary for decades to come. He will therefore appoint wise, experienced, and restrained judges who will take seriously their oath to discharge their duties impartially in accordance with the Constitution and laws — not their own personal policy preferences.


​

You really think that is not better than Obama's view of SCOTUS?


Supreme Court possibilities if Obama is reelected - CNN.com is a list of people Obama is considering.

• Kamala Harris, California attorney general author of "Smart on Crime.
• Judge Paul Watford, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Judge Jacqueline Hong-Ngoc Nguyen, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Kathryn Ruemmler, White House counsel
• Lisa Madigan, Illinois attorney general
• Mary Murguia, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Judge Diane Wood, 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, Chicago
• Judge Merrick Garland, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit

Really?

We'd have to see which Romney it was. I understand pandering but with him it has been flip flops. If Romney wins and takes a stand, I'll happily be wrong. If he wins and continues the status quo trend, I won't be surprised.

 

[NomadS]

We'd have to see which Romney it was. I understand pandering but with him it has been flip flops. If Romney wins and takes a stand, I'll happily be wrong. If he wins and continues the status quo trend, I won't be surprised.

but even at his worst he would be nominating any of those that are on Obama's list.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

I wrote this on my Facebook page.

I have been reading where people here on Facebook are saying they are voting for the
Anti Semite Loon Ron Paul,or Gary Johnson.
Then they say the will sleep better knowing they will sleep better knowing they voted someone they believed in.
Will you sleep better knowing that vote will reelect Barack Milhous Capone Stalin?
Will you sleep better knowing you destroyed America's future?Or the future of your children or grandchildren.
You would not pick up a gun and shoot your children or grandchildren.
But you might as well,As you have doomed them to a live of Socialist slavery.
You need to get past what ever stupid ideas you have about making a morally superior vote not voting for Mitt Romney.
I will vote for Mitt on November 6,2012.Mitt was not my first choice,or my second,or third or even my fourth.
But Mitt is the nominee so get these wacked out ideas out of your head about voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
Voting for them means voting for Obama and destroying America's future.
And the future of your children and grandchildren.
I do not want to explain to my children and grandchildren why America is no longer a free nation.
Ronald Reagan summed it up best with this quote,
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.

We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."We could be that generation that loses freedom.
Please do not throw it away with a vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or some other fringe loony toon candidate.

TT;DR

Too tyrannical - didn't read

 

[stationhollow]

honestly in all my years ive voted for the best man no matter what party. but after run ins with mcmillan and daniels. and seeing first hand their agendas. i believe im a democrat this year.

 

[Lex Concord]

Technically speaking, your statement is only fully correct if Obama won by more votes than were cast for Barr. Since this was not the case, it is premature and presumptuous to assume facts not in evidence about the voting preferences of those 29,257 had Barr not been on the ballot.

If voting doesn't matter, why are people so adamant about voting for Johnson in the first place?

I didn't vote for Barr either. I had to live with my conscience. That is the only thing about which I am adamant when I choose to vote. I'm still on the fence about whether it matters; my only point was that it didn't matter in that case, though I am inclined to believe it is unlikely to this time around, premature or not.

 

[Lex Concord]

Hyperbole, friend. Except that it seems to be true that the most vocal Libertarian supporters on this forum appear to believe that if only THEIR candidate would be elected, all would be well and the Republic would be saved, disregarding the fallacy inherent in believing that one person in government - even the President - would be effective in the absence of like-minded fellows.

I don't get that from most of the posts. What I get, and believe, is that should such a miracle as a Paul or Johnson being elected occur, they at least would make the effort to institute the bold changes required to start moving us back on course toward solvency and the Constitution.

They would be likely to fail, whether due to political resistance or the sheer magnitude of the problem. That said, the effort would be there.

With Romney (or Perry, or Bachmann, or Huntsman, or any of the other also-rans), I don't believe we'd get even that.

 

[cqcn88]

I wrote this on my Facebook page.

I have been reading where people here on Facebook are saying they are voting for the
Anti Semite Loon Ron Paul,or Gary Johnson.
Then they say the will sleep better knowing they will sleep better knowing they voted someone they believed in.
Will you sleep better knowing that vote will reelect Barack Milhous Capone Stalin?
Will you sleep better knowing you destroyed America's future?Or the future of your children or grandchildren.
You would not pick up a gun and shoot your children or grandchildren.
But you might as well,As you have doomed them to a live of Socialist slavery.
You need to get past what ever stupid ideas you have about making a morally superior vote not voting for Mitt Romney.
I will vote for Mitt on November 6,2012.Mitt was not my first choice,or my second,or third or even my fourth.
But Mitt is the nominee so get these wacked out ideas out of your head about voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
Voting for them means voting for Obama and destroying America's future.
And the future of your children and grandchildren.
I do not want to explain to my children and grandchildren why America is no longer a free nation.
Ronald Reagan summed it up best with this quote,
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.

We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."We could be that generation that loses freedom.
Please do not throw it away with a vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or some other fringe loony toon candidate.

Oh I get it, it's all so clear now. Thank you sir, for your stunning insight.

But seriously, you more or less epitomize the reason I won't get in line with you and the rest of the sheep. You come in trying to berate people for voting their conscience. I merely sit back with a slight smile and slowly shake my head. Many will just never get it.

 

[ghuns]

• Kamala Harris, California attorney general author of "Smart on Crime.
• Judge Paul Watford, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Judge Jacqueline Hong-Ngoc Nguyen, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Kathryn Ruemmler, White House counsel
• Lisa Madigan, Illinois attorney general
• Mary Murguia, 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, San Francisco
• Judge Diane Wood, 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, Chicago
• Judge Merrick Garland, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit

Really?

That list makes me just about wet my knickers. I don't need to even google most of them. Imagine our Nation with a majority of baby boomer, left-wingers on the Court for the next 30 years. That would do more damage than Congress or any President could do in 100 years. Just sayin.

I admire those with the courage of their convictions who go out and vote their conscience, I really do. Gary Johnson is a man to be admired and would make an outstanding President, but he can't win. I gotta vote the lesser of the two evils. The best case scenario; Romney wins, Repubs control the House, Dems control the Senate and absolutely nothing gets done for another 4 years. I really think that the youngest voters coming in will embrace Libertarian thinking and voting much more than their parents generation. Until Libertarian candidates win and serve with success in local elections they will not be viable nationally.

 

[right winger]

Election 2012

Also, why is Congressman Paul an anti-semite, simply because he wants to eliminate foreign aid to Israel, as well as everyone else?

Ron Paul has said Israel should not exist as the are on land belonging to the Palestinians.
Ron is mistaken on that point.The land has always belonged to Israel.

 

[right winger]

INGO election poll 2012

Oh I get it, it's all so clear now. Thank you sir, for your stunning insight.

But seriously, you more or less epitomize the reason I won't get in line with you and the rest of the sheep. You come in trying to berate people for voting their conscience. I merely sit back with a slight smile and slowly shake my head. Many will just never get it.

I am not berating anyone for their vote.I am just saying they are risking liberty and freedom with a vote for the fringe candidate

 

[right winger]

INGO election poll 2012

TT;DR

Too tyrannical - didn't read

This is just a honest comment.