My thoughts on Universal Background Checks, and my compromise.

[brotherbill3]

Lighten up Francis.

If there's already a NICS system in place why should it be restricted to only an FFL?

This isn't a big issue with me. I never sell guns. I only loose them in boating accidents.

I agree with the no compromises. not willingly anyway.

I have sold (private) and FtF traded a couple of guns over the years ... None left me leary; I asked for a LTCH for the last 2 ... (and was asked for mine w/ the trade) ...

The big question is - who is gonna pay for all the upgrades and errors. NICS gets bogged down now on normal days. It takes 20 minutes sometimes from what I've seen / experienced. And it is full of erros - then what?

No registartion / UBC programs has solved 1 crime. Do those performed by FFL's prevent a few - yes. But how w/o added restrictions and exorbitant costs - do you make this work without infringing or bankrupting the country? ... the answer is you can't. ...

 

[Smokepole]

If I had to choose I would. But the point is we don't have to choose.

So I stay with no compromise. Every single compromise, even if it's in a state other than IN is a step towards destroying the 2A. The leftist Democrats know that all too well. What everyone needs to be aware of is that the leftist Democrats have stated openly their end game is total disarmament. If they have to do it one tiny step at a time, that is OK with them. They are on a mission from their God, a mission that the Liberal Biased media pounds into their heads multiple times a day. If we owned the media like the socialist do then this would have never even got started.

The only way we win this war is by wining every battle we can. This is a war of attrition and unfortunately we are out gunned. If you can think of this as a war then try to put the liberal media in the role of supply. The other side has logistics on their side. The only real weapon we have is the fear of politicians being voted out and losing their gravy train. I will however say that some politicians are showing their colors and actually standing up for the Constitution, good on them. A politician with morals and ethics still exist.

Every time a ban of any kind in any state we all lose a battle, lose too many battle's and you eventually lose the war.

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REP INBOUND

 

[Scutter01]

No registartion / UBC programs has solved 1 crime. Do those performed by FFL's prevent a few - yes.

The number of denials on FFL NICS checks shows that the NICS system works. People who are not legally able to own a gun are being denied.

 

[Echelon]

The number of denials on FFL NICS checks shows that the NICS system works. People who are not legally able to own a gun are being denied.

Not necessarily, people get delayed and denied on a regular basis for erroneous reasons. The denial stats are FAR from correct based on that alone.

 

[singlestacksig]

I will think about accepting UBC , if they included UBC with photo ID check to vote.
Drug tests to get welfare.
UBC to be allowed to have kids.
no tax refund if you owe any governemnt money..

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

So what are you advocating? We just roll over, present our backsides and let them do whatever they wish, Vaseline or not? We advocate fighting with all of the legal and Constitutional means at our disposal while not compromising. The whole deal here is about not accepting compromise in the process. And our side has been compromising every time the discussion comes up. And as I said in my earlier post, our Founding Father did all of the compromising when they wrote the Bill of Rights and any compromise regarding those Rights is movement in reverse and willfully backsliding into tyranny. And I ain't about to go there willfully. You won't find me advocating or acceding to compromise.

If it passes I will comply. Only because I can not do my family any good from jail. But if the time comes for patriots to take other stronger action . . . .

I am advocating we do everything we can to get the message out to our elected officials that new laws will not be tolerated and if passed they will not get our vote any longer.

With that being said, write letters, donate to the NRA, GOA, etc. That is our best bet at this point. I am not willing to go start a literal fight, the bravado doesnt really help our cause imo. Although I am probably in the minority on that, well at least here.

 

[Bunnykid68]

To the people saying, not one more inch. What are you going to do if something passes? You going to leave? You going to fight back and start shooting people like Yeager? Or are you just going to not comply, thereby becoming a criminal?

We don't really control anything, we have some influence over our own IN representatives but nothing else really. We don't have a seat at the bargaining table, we are just being taken on the ride and hoping those we voted for will do enough to stop what we don't want done.

Imo the not one more inch stuff is just internet grandstanding, we fight with letters to our senators, mayors, congressmen, etc. We show up in support on rallys and protests. But when it comes down to it, and a back ground check law is passed are you going to just not do it and risk jail time and being away from your family and putting them in financial peril?

If they pass Universal Background Check I am willing to be the test case of buying and selling outside of the system, I only need one other person willing to do it publicly with me.

 

[mistap]

I am advocating we do everything we can to get the message out to our elected officials that new laws will not be tolerated and if passed they will not get our vote any longer.

With that being said, write letters, donate to the NRA, GOA, etc. That is our best bet at this point. I am not willing to go start a literal fight, the bravado doesnt really help our cause imo. Although I am probably in the minority on that, well at least here.

Brother, I'm gonna ask you like I have asked sevral others:

Where do you draw your line?

It sounds to me that it's just another law to you, but to those whoim you describe as full of "bravado", it is a clear USURPATION of their RIGHTS.

So, again, I ask: Where do YOU draw YOUR line? Would you apply for a permit to attend the church of your choice or read the newspaper of your choosing (Pravda, perhaps)?