nazi checkpoint

[rambone]

If you willingly give up your rights, you have no right to complain. Everyone is given the same opportunity to avoid a checkpoint, so why complain if you choose not to take the option given.

This is a blame-the-victim argument.

They are supposed to have Probable Cause or a Warrant. Government checkpoints should not exist.

 

[Rookie]

This is a blame-the-victim argument.

They are supposed to have Probable Cause or a Warrant. Government checkpoints should not exist.

Agreed. They should not exist, but SCOTUS has given everyone the opportunity to protect their rights by legally avoiding a checkpoint. People that choose to go ahead through have no right to complain. Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[Rookie]

Btw, I'm not blaming the victim. I'm expecting people to take responsibility for their decisions. The first time I turned off in front of a checkpoint, I did not know it was legal, but I did so knowing full well that my actions might have consequences. I was willing to accept those consequences in order to protect my rights.

 

[steveh_131]

Agreed. They should not exist, but SCOTUS has given everyone the opportunity to protect their rights by legally avoiding a checkpoint. People that choose to go ahead through have no right to complain. Ignorance is no excuse.

Robbery victims who walk through dark alleys have no right to complain. I mean, come on. They could have stayed out of the alley if they wanted to.

 

[JetGirl]

Even DHS is getting into the random checkpoints gig. Show us your papers, please. Wonder how they'd react by being told to go to hell? Just getting the masses used to it.

Daily Commercial - <p>Training excercise startles locals</p>

I've got a friend in Okahumpka who sent me this. It's a LOT more messed up than any of the printed stuff shown...and they apparently got REALLY nasty if you were holding a phone/camera up.

 

[fireblade]

DHS has stuff like this all the time( training exercises) alot more will be around in 2012



( i watched this one militarized police force walking down streets looking for terrorist with a dirty bomb ...and causality collection points set up.)
Disaster Exercise To Be Conducted | Newsroom | IU Health


Indy hosts counterterrorism exercise - DailyHerald.com


FEMA: National Level Exercise 2011 (NLE 2011)

 

[Rookie]

Robbery victims who walk through dark alleys have no right to complain. I mean, come on. They could have stayed out of the alley if they wanted to.

Wow. Can't argue with that stroke of genius.

 

[steveh_131]

Wow. Can't argue with that stroke of genius.

I didn't expect that you could.

 

[Lex Concord]

I've got a friend in Okahumpka who sent me this. It's a LOT more messed up than any of the printed stuff shown...and they apparently got REALLY nasty if you were holding a phone/camera up.

Like vampires hissing at crosses, I'm sure.

 

[Rookie]

I didn't expect that you could.

Probably because you're trying to argue with a completely different scenario. If the person was walking down an alley, saw flashing lights and a sign saying "WARNING: you're going to be robbed in 1,000 feet", and he still chose to continue, then I have no pity for the "victim".

 

[Denny347]

And I dont like the idea of having to drive around an unconstitutional roadblock in the first place. They are stopping people without cause. This is still America, is it not?

This is the country the masses want. The politicians get elected, the justices get appointed by those the people elected. The checks and balances are operating as designed. Those on this board and ones like it are the minority...and the minority seems to be shrinking. After years of working checkpoints, it was VERY rare that someone was upset by being stopped. In fact, by far, most thanked us for the effort.

 

[Mog]

This is still America, is it not?

It used to be.

 

[level.eleven]

This is the country the masses want. The politicians get elected, the justices get appointed by those the people elected. The checks and balances are operating as designed. Those on this board and ones like it are the minority...and the minority seems to be shrinking. After years of working checkpoints, it was VERY rare that someone was upset by being stopped. In fact, by far, most thanked us for the effort.

There is no min/max IQ for taxpayers, sort of like cops.

 

[John Galt]

It disgusts me to think that a man driving down the street with no ill intentions in his heart, breaking NO LAWS can be pulled over for absolutely NOTHING.

^^^This^^^

"Preventive" laws concern the hell out of me and is a very dangerous path, once started. This is a virtually limitless universe for the authorities to act "for our good" once this mentality is accepted and is one of the many reasons for the protections in the Bill of Rights.

 

[RockofStrength]

This is the country the masses want. The politicians get elected, the justices get appointed by those the people elected. The checks and balances are operating as designed. Those on this board and ones like it are the minority...and the minority seems to be shrinking. After years of working checkpoints, it was VERY rare that someone was upset by being stopped. In fact, by far, most thanked us for the effort.

This needs to be emphasized. We're not talking about absolute right and wrong here, but rather what is being considered right and wrong. A sufficient number of people gladly wipe their behinds with the Constitution and care very little for its history or the protections it offers unless it becomes very clear how valuable they are (like when they arrest you for what you're saying at a political rally, for example). The people are fat, lazy, and content. A sobriety checkpoint isn't Nazism to them, it's a convenience.

While they are the majority and elect our representatives this country will continue to burn itself to the ground.

 

[Compatriot G]

This is the country the masses want. The politicians get elected, the justices get appointed by those the people elected. The checks and balances are operating as designed. Those on this board and ones like it are the minority...and the minority seems to be shrinking. After years of working checkpoints, it was VERY rare that someone was upset by being stopped. In fact, by far, most thanked us for the effort.

I want to make sure I'm understanding your post correctly. Do you believe it is a bad thing that more and more people are willing to give up their rights and are even thankful for the loss of their rights?

 

[Denny347]

I want to make sure I'm understanding your post correctly. Do you believe it is a bad thing that more and more people are willing to give up their rights and are even thankful for the loss of their rights?

No, I do not but my opinion on it affects NOTHING. People every day try to have me do things that are outside my legal authority because they are too lazy to do it for themselves. People vote the way they want this country to head and like it or not...it's heading in that direction.

 

[Denny347]

There is no min/max IQ for taxpayers, sort of like cops.

Very true, otherwise a genius like myself could not have been hired.

 

[Denny347]

Thanks for violating the 4th Amendment!

I dont care how many people thanked you for violating the constitution, it doesnt make it right. Im sure if you all took all the guns out of the hands of citizens the anti gun liberals would thank you for that too, that doesnt make it right.

You welcome, I do try to please. So far the USSC has my back on this as well as the ISC. So actually, it DOES make it right

 

[Denny347]

So to be 100% clear, you think its a good thing that people are willing to give up their rights?

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

Um, No. As I just said...I do not. However, that is my opinion. Obviously the general masses feel differently.