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  • tskin

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    Looks like we're still going to have to wait a few months.

    Repeal of Gun Ban in National Parks Won't Take Effect Until February - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

    WASHINGTON -- A new law that will allow loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges will not take effect until next year, the Obama administration said Friday.
    President Obama signed the gun law Friday as part of a measure creating new rules for the credit card industry.
    But a spokeswoman for the Interior Department said that because the credit card law will not take effect until nine months after it is signed, the gun measure also will be delayed.
    Spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff said the Interior Department will follow Congress' directive and put the new firearms law into effect in late February 2010.
    Bryan Faehner, associate director of the National Parks Conservation Association, praised the Interior Department's decision.
    "We are pleased, because that provides more time that our parks will remain safe and free from shotguns, rifles and semiautomatic weapons," Faehner said.
    "We hope that the American public and members of Congress will have more time to understand the far-reaching repercussions of this outrageous and disturbing law that has nothing to do with credit cards and will only put park visitors at risk," Faehner said.
    Until February, rules adopted during the administration of President Ronald Reagan will remain in place. They severely restrict guns in the national parks, generally requiring that they be locked or stored in a glove compartment or trunk.
    "As Interior prepares to implement the new law, the department will work to understand and interpret its implications for our national parks and wildlife refuges, with public safety and the safety of our employees as our foremost consideration," Barkoff said. "For the time being, the current Reagan administration regulations governing possession of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges remain in place."
    The Interior Department's decision drew immediate criticism from Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, chief sponsor of the gun measure.
    Spokesman John Hart said Coburn will offer the gun amendment to other bills in order to implement the decision quicker.
    Hart said Coburn was confident the amendment will be approved again, noting that the measure received support from 27 Democrats in the Senate, including the majority leader, Sen. Harry Reid.
    The measure, adopted by wide margins in the House of Representatives and the Senate, allows licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by state law.
    Hart said Congress clearly intended for the law to take effect soon, adding that Coburn was disappointed the law apparently will not be in place this summer, when national parks are most crowded.
    Faehner, the conservation association official, called national parks among the safest places in the United States. According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, there were 1.65 violent crimes per 100,000 national park visitors in 2006, far below the national average for violent crime.
    Coburn countered that parks are not crime-free and that the law would help law-abiding people fight human and animal threats.
    The vote allowing guns in parks was a bitter disappointment for gun-control proponents, who watched as a Democratic-controlled Congress handed a victory to gun-rights advocates that they did not achieve under Republican rule. Democratic opponents blamed the National Rifle Association, which pushed hard for the gun law.
    Republicans said gun owners simply want to exercise their rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Republicans called the current policy confusing to those who visit public lands, noting that merely traveling from state-owned parks to national parks meant some visitors were violating the law.
     

    Scutter01

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    The Bush rule is still pending. If the activist judge's EPA study requirement can be satisfied before then, then we may be able to carry well before this law goes into effect.
     

    VN Vet

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    I can wait.

    I'll just ask for an armed Park Ranger to accompany me and my family. Heck, I'll even let him or her do the cooking for us. I LOVE Black Bear Meat. (I really do)
     

    mike8170

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    Guess I will just stay in the perimeter of my compound for the next 9 months. It is a bunch of crap the way that these bills get tacked on to each other, which most of the time, are nothing than pork for so and so's constiuency. Isn't big government great everyone!!
     

    El Cazador

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    Bryan Faehner, associate director of the National Parks Conservation Association, praised the Interior Department's decision.
    "We are pleased, because that provides more time that our parks will remain safe and free from shotguns, rifles and semiautomatic weapons," Faehner said.

    It's because the entire bill won't go into effect until Feb 2010, ya boob. Has nothing to do with the "Interior Department's" decision. I guess this Fairy guy doesn't mind revolvers in the National Parks, since he seems to have omitted only them from his "safe and free" list...
     

    melensdad

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    It should be noted that the NPCA (National Parks Conservation Association) is an anti-gun, anti-hunting, environmental wacko group that poses as a moderate pro-park organization in much the same way that the Humane Society of the United States pretends to be a mainstream organization that cares for puppies but in reality is far from that ideal.

    Here is a statement from the NPCA:
    UPDATE: May 22, 2009--A disturbing provision allowing individuals to openly carry assault rifles, shotguns, and semi-automatic weapons in national parks unless the state forbids it, has passed Congress as part of the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act of 2009. The President is expected to sign the legislation into law today.

    Sadly, both the Senate and House disregarded the concerns of national park rangers and former Park Service directors who want American families and wildlife to remain safe in our national parks. NPCA believes that loaded assault rifles, shotguns, and semi-automatic weapons have no place at campfire programs and ranger led hikes.

    NPCA encourages you to either thank or express your dissatisfaction with your Senators and Representative, depending on whether or not they voted for the provision.

    What You Can Do

    Click here to see how your Senators voted. U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

    Click here to see how your Representative voted. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll277.xml

    If you want to contact the NPCA and give them a piece of your mind, here is a contact page for them: NPCA | Contact NPCA
     

    spartan933

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    Here is the way I see it. You are out there essentially in the middle of nowhere and once you dial 911, it will take a while for the cavalry to show up. So, being armed is not necessarily a bad thing out in the sticks. Secondly, most people that go to parks, national or state, are going with some type of firearm. If we have to keep them locked up in our cars, criminals will have ample opportunity to steal them as we hike, fish, or sleep, etc.

    I just wish Indiana DNR would change their rules about carrying in parks. I like to camping and hiking at Willow Slough and we are not allowed to carry on us. Kind of annoying.
     

    Pami

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    I just wish Indiana DNR would change their rules about carrying in parks. I like to camping and hiking at Willow Slough and we are not allowed to carry on us. Kind of annoying.

    Erm.. last I heard, we CAN carry in Indiana State Parks, effective a year or so ago. Some park signs haven't been changed, but it IS legal if you have a LTCH.

    There are a few exceptions to the rule, of course, but those exceptions are primarily parks that are run by the ... um.. well crap. Now my brain has run out. Corps of Engineers?

    I'll find a link to that specific question in a moment.

    Found. https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...firearms_at_state_reservoirs_patoka_lake.html
     
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