No indictment against Planned Parenthood

[Pooty22]

No indictment against Planned Parenthood - Story | KRIV

TLDR: PP cleared of wrongdoing. Video creators indicted for tampering with a governmental record.

I couldn't find anything here concerning this so I didn't know if anyone saw this news last week.

Second article: Planned Parenthood cleared, but 2 indicted over videos - Houston Chronicle

 

[Birds Away]

Alternative headline? Liberal Sacred Cow Protected, 2 Conservatives indicted over telling truth.

 

[hoosierdoc]

This prosecution is a bad precedent for Hillary Clinton. She should be nervous.

 

[Pooty22]

Alternative headline? Liberal Sacred Cow Protected, 2 Conservatives indicted over telling truth.

They weren't indicted for being conservatives and they were actually indicted for NOT telling the truth. That's where the tampering comes in.

 

[HoughMade]

They weren't indicted for being conservatives and they were actually indicted for NOT telling the truth. That's where the tampering comes in.

Had they been trying to expose who knew what about the water in Flint, MI using the same techniques, do you think they get indicted?

 

[Birds Away]

Had they been trying to expose who knew what about the water in Flint, MI using the same techniques, do you think they get indicted?

Of course not!

 

[indiucky]

Had they been trying to expose who knew what about the water in Flint, MI using the same techniques, do you think they get indicted?

Nope...They would get a PBS special and be featured on Independent Lens....

 

[HoughMade]

Not everyone the prosecutor wants indicted gets indicted, but NO ONE gets indicted unless the prosecutor wants them to.

 

[Pooty22]

Had they been trying to expose who knew what about the water in Flint, MI using the same techniques, do you think they get indicted?

That doesn't mean that these people didn't do anything wrong.

 

[HoughMade]

That doesn't mean that these people didn't do anything wrong.

True, but an indictment doesn't mean they did. Selective prosecution based upon political viewpoint is most assuredly wrong.

 

[tyrajam]

Nice precedent, so when are Chris Hansen and all of dateline's producers going to be charged with attempted child sex trafficking?

 

[Pooty22]

True, but an indictment doesn't mean they did. Selective prosecution based upon political viewpoint is most assuredly wrong.

Well it was a grand jury that issued the indictment. And an indictment is just a formal accusation, not a guarantee of prosecution.

The point I was trying to make with this post was two-fold. One; I wanted to make sure people around here that hadn't seen it could read it. I saw a couple threads going on and on about how PP is some evil organization that cuts the babies out of women's stomachs with a butcher knife, but nothing about the fact that they were later found innocent of any wrongdoing. Two; This isn't a prosecutor deciding who do indict based on politics. This was a grand jury decision, which means a group of citizens looked and the evidence and not only decided that PP did nothing wrong, but that the accusers in this case's actions were so deceitful that they were criminal. And remember, this is in Texas, which is probably the most pro-life state in the country, so for these people to come to this decision tells me that the evidence must have been overwhelming.

 

[17 squirrel]

Sushhhhhhhhhh.... Or your going to upset the Sacred Donkey Cart..
Evidence and breaking the law is irrelevant...

 

[Pooty22]

Nice precedent, so when are Chris Hansen and all of dateline's producers going to be charged with attempted child sex trafficking?

What does this have do to with this discussion?

 

[HoughMade]

Well it was a grand jury that issued the indictment. And an indictment is just a formal accusation, not a guarantee of prosecution.

The point I was trying to make with this post was two-fold. One; I wanted to make sure people around here that hadn't seen it could read it. I saw a couple threads going on and on about how PP is some evil organization that cuts the babies out of women's stomachs with a butcher knife, but nothing about the fact that they were later found innocent of any wrongdoing. Two; This isn't a prosecutor deciding who do indict based on politics. This was a grand jury decision, which means a group of citizens looked and the evidence and not only decided that PP did nothing wrong, but that the accusers in this case's actions were so deceitful that they were criminal. And remember, this is in Texas, which is probably the most pro-life state in the country, so for these people to come to this decision tells me that the evidence must have been overwhelming.

You're under the impression that a grand jury is not guided by the prosecution and the prosecution doesn't present recommendations?

Abortion is legal....and that was never an issue. The issue was illegal sale of fetal tissue. That a grand jury did not indict means only that it does not believe a law was broken. Fine. That does not change what the PP people talked about on camera.

if the people that made the videos broke the law, maybe they should be prosecuted. There is no law that every possible violation must be presented to a grand jury or prosecuted.

Even if they are convicted, what they did was still not necessarily wrong. The criminal law does not define morality. Abortion can still be immoral, but legal. Certain techniques exposing the ghoulish business of PP may be illegal, but not immoral.

To me, what the grand jury did is irrelevant to what was accomplished. The PP people explained to us just who they are.

 

[Birds Away]

Well it was a grand jury that issued the indictment. And an indictment is just a formal accusation, not a guarantee of prosecution.

The point I was trying to make with this post was two-fold. One; I wanted to make sure people around here that hadn't seen it could read it. I saw a couple threads going on and on about how PP is some evil organization that cuts the babies out of women's stomachs with a butcher knife, but nothing about the fact that they were later found innocent of any wrongdoing. Two; This isn't a prosecutor deciding who do indict based on politics. This was a grand jury decision, which means a group of citizens looked and the evidence and not only decided that PP did nothing wrong, but that the accusers in this case's actions were so deceitful that they were criminal. And remember, this is in Texas, which is probably the most pro-life state in the country, so for these people to come to this decision tells me that the evidence must have been overwhelming.

Wow, nothing like a bit of hyperbole.

 

[Pooty22]

You're under the impression that a grand jury is not guided by the prosecution and the prosecution doesn't present recommendations?

Abortion is legal....and that was never an issue. The issue was illegal sale of fetal tissue. That a grand jury did not indict means only that it does not believe a law was broken. Fine. That does not change what the PP people talked about on camera.

if the people that made the videos broke the law, maybe they should be prosecuted. There is no law that every possible violation must be presented to a grand jury or prosecuted.

Even if they are convicted, what they did was still not necessarily wrong. The criminal law does not define morality. Abortion can still be immoral, but legal. Certain techniques exposing the ghoulish business of PP may be illegal, but not immoral.

To me, what the grand jury did is irrelevant to what was accomplished. The PP people explained to us just who they are.

I agree that the damage is already done, which is a shame. But did you not read the part where the guy who made this video was buying and selling human organs? As in, he was doing exactly what they were trying to accuse PP of doing? How is that somehow more moral than what PP does?

 

[indiucky]

I agree that the damage is already done, which is a shame. But did you not read the part where the guy who made this video was buying and selling human organs? As in, he was doing exactly what they were trying to accuse PP of doing? How is that somehow more moral than what PP does?

I heard undercover police pose as drug buyers, DEA as well...PETA folks pose as employees of a slaughter plant...Isn't the point of an undercover sting to kind of be...Undercover?

Plus you have to realize that some folks think that killing a child based upon the child's geographic location, i.e. in the womb vs out of the womb is morally repugnent..That and the fact that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was a racist, promoter of Eugenics, and attended KKK meetings (the wive's meetings) to promote eugenics among minority communities....They are not a very good group no matter what the Hollywood/Media may tell you...A bit of a checkered past so to speak...

 

[Birds Away]

They indicted him for having a fake driver's license.

 

[Birds Away]

I agree that the damage is already done, which is a shame. But did you not read the part where the guy who made this video was buying and selling human organs? As in, he was doing exactly what they were trying to accuse PP of doing? How is that somehow more moral than what PP does?

The video proved that PP was, in fact, selling body parts from aborted fetuses. They "donated" the body parts and in return those receiving said parts would make a "donation".