No Obama bashing?

[tk6968]

Sorry to go against the grain here, but I will not support a man as president who could not pass a background check for a security clearance. I will not support a man who has associated with some of America's worst enemies. I will not support a man who has a stated goal of leading our country into socialism. Until I am convinced that he is not an enemy of America, he will get no respect or support. He can by his actions earn my respect.

 

[techres]

And Bush haters ignored it as they should have. No President gets a free pass nor should they. They're a servant of a free people (so far), not Kings, and can be questioned and maligned for anything or everything.

Yeah, but he is not even the President yet. He is the President-Elect! He gets to be one, but ain't there just yet. So you may want to postpone that impeachment because I do not know that you can do that until after his inaugural swearing in.

 

[flagtag]

And Bush haters ignored it as they should have. No President gets a free pass nor should they. They're a servant of a free people (so far), not Kings, and can be questioned and maligned for anything or everything.

Not so sure about Obama. Remember Plumber Joe?

 

[Bill of Rights]

Sorry to go against the grain here, but I will not support a man as president who could not pass a background check for a security clearance. I will not support a man who has associated with some of America's worst enemies. I will not support a man who has a stated goal of leading our country into socialism. Until I am convinced that he is not an enemy of America, he will get no respect or support. He can by his actions earn my respect.

Welcome to INGO!

I agree with you. I even go a step further and refuse to call him a "man", for it's my view that there's much more to being a man than being born with a "Y" chromosome.

The semantics aside, though, the point of this thread is not that we support the guy in the office but rather that we stand with our countrymen, our friends, neighbors, and compatriots in support of our country, of which as of Jan. 20, 2009, he will be the elected (correctly or otherwise) leader.

It's like Pami posted about her asst. manager: the goal in a store is to take care of the customers so they keep coming back.

The goal of a country is to take care of the needs of the citizens that they may have the ability to live well. (the gov't does this best by getting the hell out of their way.) The other goal of a country is to take care of it's enemies, such that they do not keep coming back.

Given those goals, I can respect that he deserves a chance to make them happen. Like Pami in her store, however, I believe that we, the people, need to be ready to step forward and answer the challenge of the latter goal in the event that Mr. Obama is tested and found to not be up to the challenge of his office, much as Mr. Carter was not.

Blessings,
B

 

[CarmelHP]

Yeah, but he is not even the President yet. He is the President-Elect! He gets to be one, but ain't there just yet. So you may want to postpone that impeachment because I do not know that you can do that until after his inaugural swearing in.

Hold the phone, you better tell him that, this modern day Mussolini had official looking Presidential type signs and insignia printed up with a highfalutin title. If he wants to act like he's already President, I'm willing to oblige him to the extent of calling for his impeachment. OK?

 

[BloodEclipse]

Can someone show me where the left ever let up on Bush? The only lull that I remember came right after 911. The only reason they shut their mouths then was because they would expose themselves for the cowards and punks they truly are. It didn't take them long before they tested the waters and soon the full on assault was back. It was this constant hammering of Bush that helped shape the publics opinion of him. Why should Obama be treated any differently? This is a major flaw Conservatives make, we try to treat everyone with respect, regardless of if they deserve it or not. We try to be above the tactics the left use.
The trouble is, by trying to be the adults we are getting our asses handed to us in elections. You can't run the same play book when you are losing. Things have to change and we must start now. President or not he has to earn my respect. In the mean time I will be pointing out every flaw, every hint of wrongdoing, and every move to erode my constitution. Sit back if you like. If it makes you feel superior to give someone a chance, who would not return the favor, then be my guest. I for one will not play that game again.

 

[Bill of Rights]

every move to erode my Constitution.

As Annie often says: ^ That.

(edited for capitalization)



No bash. My Constitution is not a Golden Corral menu where you can take what you like and leave the rest.

Rep would be left, but I have to share the love first.

Blessings,
B

 

[JetGirl]

As Annie often says: ^ That.

Reps for listening.

 

[4sarge]

Can someone show me where the left ever let up on Bush? The only lull that I remember came right after 911. The only reason they shut their mouths then was because they would expose themselves for the cowards and punks they truly are. It didn't take them long before they tested the waters and soon the full on assault was back. It was this constant hammering of Bush that helped shape the publics opinion of him. Why should Obama be treated any differently? This is a major flaw Conservatives make, we try to treat everyone with respect, regardless of if they deserve it or not. We try to be above the tactics the left use.
The trouble is, by trying to be the adults we are getting our asses handed to us in elections. You can't run the same play book when you are losing. Things have to change and we must start now. President or not he has to earn my respect. In the mean time I will be pointing out every flaw, every hint of wrongdoing, and every move to erode my constitution. Sit back if you like. If it makes you feel superior to give someone a chance, who would not return the favor, then be my guest. I for one will not play that game again.

Damn Straight = Great Post rep added

I'm NOT turning the other cheek and I'm NOT waiting until Obama and "His" Personal Civilian Army are breaking down my door or prohibiting me from voting in the next election.

Wait, Wait, Wait. Sorry, I wasn't born to be a waiter (pun intended) I began Organizing and Preparing before the election and will continue to do so thru out the Obama Occupation. He is Not My President but a Hostile Occupier of the White House.


Obama's Socialistic Plans and Policies have been posted; he's stated that he wants an end to CCW, assault weapons and the individual freedoms and liberties that I as an American hold dear. "I will NOT go quietly into the night" BUT "Will kick and Scream until my fellow Americans see the light or I no longer have a breath to breathe".

 

[Bill of Rights]

Can someone show me where the left ever let up on Bush? The only lull that I remember came right after 911. The only reason they shut their mouths then was because they would expose themselves for the cowards and punks they truly are. It didn't take them long before they tested the waters and soon the full on assault was back. It was this constant hammering of Bush that helped shape the publics opinion of him. Why should Obama be treated any differently? This is a major flaw Conservatives make, we try to treat everyone with respect, regardless of if they deserve it or not. We try to be above the tactics the left use.
The trouble is, by trying to be the adults we are getting our asses handed to us in elections. You can't run the same play book when you are losing. Things have to change and we must start now. President or not he has to earn my respect. In the mean time I will be pointing out every flaw, every hint of wrongdoing, and every move to erode my Constitution. Sit back if you like. If it makes you feel superior to give someone a chance, who would not return the favor, then be my guest. I for one will not play that game again.

As Annie often says: ^ That.

(edited for capitalization)



No bash. My Constitution is not a Golden Corral menu where you can take what you like and leave the rest.

Rep would be left, but I have to share the love first.

Blessings,
B

Welcome to INGO!

I agree with you. I even go a step further and refuse to call him a "man", for it's my view that there's much more to being a man than being born with a "Y" chromosome.

The semantics aside, though, the point of this thread is not that we support the guy in the office but rather that we stand with our countrymen, our friends, neighbors, and compatriots in support of our country, of which as of Jan. 20, 2009, he will be the elected (correctly or otherwise) leader.

It's like Pami posted about her asst. manager: the goal in a store is to take care of the customers so they keep coming back.

The goal of a country is to take care of the needs of the citizens that they may have the ability to live well. (the gov't does this best by getting the hell out of their way.) The other goal of a country is to take care of it's enemies, such that they do not keep coming back.

Given those goals, I can respect that he deserves a chance to make them happen. Like Pami in her store, however, I believe that we, the people, need to be ready to step forward and answer the challenge of the latter goal in the event that Mr. Obama is tested and found to not be up to the challenge of his office, much as Mr. Carter was not.

Blessings,
B

OK. It's nine hours after my last post and I realize in re-reading it that the last paragraph above could sound ambivalent or even in some odd way supportive of Barry Hussein. This is not my meaning. I did and do say he deserves, by way of election, a chance to make the proper goals of this country a reality. We all know politicians lie and we all know that they'll often say anything to grab a vote. The challenge to us is to figure out in a statement with three sentences, which six are lies and in what way(s).

I think that Barry deserves a chance to prove that his "gun control" fallacies were the lies. I think he deserves the chance to prove that he has America's best interests at heart.

I don't for an instant believe that this is the case, so while I do not want a civil war, I do think that we, the people who love America, should be preparing, not to shoot our neighbors, not representatives of our government, but rather first to influence those we have elected (the so-called "soft war") to remember "America First", and second, if the first fails, to repel the invading hordes who will likely assault our country in the aftermath of BHO's inauguration, whether they wear sombreros, robes and turbans, or anything else, including helmets painted robin's egg blue.

Movies notwithstanding, this will not be an easy thing, nor will we have a script that says we win in the end. If/when we do so, it will not be because some liberal screenwriter wanted everyone to feel good as they left the movie theater, but because of American skill, knowledge, guile, and heart.

Blessings,
B

 

[flagtag]

As far as I know (haven't heard), Obama hasn't resigned his Senate seat, so until he takes the Oath of Office for President, he is still: Senator Obama. (Not even "president elect".)

Has anyone heard if he has resigned his Senate seat yet?

 

[CarmelHP]

I think he deserves the chance to prove that he has America's best interests at heart.

He's already announced what interests he has at heart. I don't have to be hit by a 2x4 to get the message.See NRA News

 

[Bill of Rights]

He's already announced what interests he has at heart. I don't have to be hit by a 2x4 to get the message.See NRA News

Neither do I. That's why there was so much more to my post.

If he starts passing relaxation of gun rules, returns the US Constitution to it's proper place of respect and honor, and in general starts showing American values, I'll respect that. I'll be pinching the living **** out of myself because I'll be sure I'm dreaming, and I'll be equally certain that Hell's turned into a ski resort, but I'll respect it.

Meanwhile, I'm still buying ammo.

Blessings,
B

 

[10ring]

Meanwhile, I'm still buying ammo.

+1000

 

[CarmelHP]

Neither do I. That's why there was so much more to my post.

If he starts passing relaxation of gun rules, returns the US Constitution to it's proper place of respect and honor, and in general starts showing American values, I'll respect that. I'll be pinching the living **** out of myself because I'll be sure I'm dreaming, and I'll be equally certain that Hell's turned into a ski resort, but I'll respect it.

Yeah, that's what I tried when Clinton was elected, the assault weapons ban came like a tidal wave, and by the time it hit us it was too late. You're letting Obama amass political capital to use against you because of some hope of a conversion that you know is never going to happen.

Whatever.

 

[Foxtrot]

What exactly does "respect for the office" mean? I hear it all the time. No one can seem to explain it to me.

If you were ever in the service you would know what it means. Respect the uniform and rank, not the man in it.

 

[rhino]

If you were ever in the service you would know what it means. Respect the uniform and rank, not the man in it.

Not even close to being the same thing. Once you volunteer for the military, you are bound by the UCMJ and you are bound to the rules and regulations of your branch.

Artificial, obligatory "respect" for a part of the civilian government by an American citizen is nothing like that.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Yeah, that's what I tried when Clinton was elected, the assault weapons ban came like a tidal wave, and by the time it hit us it was too late. You're letting Obama amass political capital to use against you because of some hope of a conversion that you know is never going to happen.

Whatever.

I'm doing no such thing. My reps know what I expect of them (because I've taken the time to let them know) and that I'm watching. As it stands now, I think both of our Senators are reasonably certain they've lost my vote, and given that in two and four years, respectively, when they're up for election and the Democrats have no excuses why their policies have failed America, I suspect they'll both have a battle on their grubby hands to keep their offices. Political capital? I don't think so. There's nothing I can do about the fact that he was elected now. When he starts infringing on the Constitution even more than GWB ever thought about (and that's a big statement), when his policies turn even his own supporters against him, that capital will evaporate the same way our home values did not too long ago.

Unlike with Clinton, we're going in knowing what this socialist is about and what he plans.

You don't have to agree with my thinking, but I'll thank you not to lump me in with the libtards who actually voted for Hussein and think he's going to be their modern-day Santa Claus.

 

[CarmelHP]

I'm doing no such thing. My reps know what I expect of them (because I've taken the time to let them know) and that I'm watching. As it stands now, I think both of our Senators are reasonably certain they've lost my vote, and given that in two and four years, respectively, when they're up for election and the Democrats have no excuses why their policies have failed America, I suspect they'll both have a battle on their grubby hands to keep their offices. Political capital? I don't think so. There's nothing I can do about the fact that he was elected now. When he starts infringing on the Constitution even more than GWB ever thought about (and that's a big statement), when his policies turn even his own supporters against him, that capital will evaporate the same way our home values did not too long ago.

Obama is threatening a "big bang" on social (like guns) and economic issues within the first hundred days of his presidency as well as using executive orders. If you wait until the political momentum is going then its too late, like trying to hold a runaway train. If you want him to know you mean business gun owners have to shout it out right now before he has a chance, so he drops those plans before they're made. Why stockpile ammo when you could stopped legislation painlessly through the political marketplace?

Unlike with Clinton, we're going in knowing what this socialist is about and what he plans.

You don't have to agree with my thinking, but I'll thank you not to lump me in with the libtards who actually voted for Hussein and think he's going to be their modern-day Santa Claus.

I didn't or I would have said you hope he doesn't convert like they do. But you don't bring about a conversion by saying nothing and sitting on your hands until evil rolls over you.