Non-lethal (or less lethal rather) shotgun ammo legality?

[PlinKing2392]

My brother and I were watching football and talking guns. He is in the process of purchasing a new home and had some questions about home defense, the legal aspect of gun ownership, what would I use/do if...etc. Then we got to talking about different non-lethal alternatives in a home defense situation. My brother doesn't have kids, but will someday, and the thought of accidentally firing on a family member almost made him sick just talking about it.

Does anyone know if non-lethal shotgun ammo is available to the public or is that strictly a LEO thing? And if so, what all is available? We talked about the bean bags used in the jackass movie, and even discussed the possibility of rock salt, kill bill style. How legal is that

 

[eldirector]

I don't know of any state or local law that would make less-lethal rounds illegal.

That said, I can certainly imagine the civil suit for using them, and maybe even criminal charges. Are you really in fear for your life when you are just trying to hurt someone? That's not MY argument, but I it sure well be the DA's or the civil attorney's.

We've had discussion on INGO about using salt or even birdshot for self defense. The general consensus seems to lean towards this not being a good idea.

 

[PlinKing2392]

My brother and I were watching football and talking guns. He is in the process of purchasing a new home and had some questions about home defense, the legal aspect of gun ownership, what would I use/do if...etc. Then we got to talking about different non-lethal alternatives in a home defense situation. My brother doesn't have kids, but will someday, and the thought of accidentally firing on a family member almost made him sick just talking about it.

Does anyone know if non-lethal shotgun ammo is available to the public or is that strictly a LEO thing? And if so, what all is available? We talked about the bean bags used in the jackass movie, and even discussed the possibility of rock salt, kill bill style. How legal is that

 

[VUPDblue]

Firing on an intruder inside your home is NOT the place for less-lethal munitions. They don't always stop the person they are used on, especially those persons who may be in a chemically altered state. If he is worried about shooting real bullets with family in the house, I would advise him to replace the less-lethal idea with a firearm and real bullets and a few training classes.

 

[PlinKing2392]

That's what I said to my brother. He was just concerned about coming around a corner, investigating a bump in the night, and firing on a supposed wrong doer, that turned out to be a family member. I share the concern, but that is remedied with the use of a flashlight.

 

[PlinKing2392]

Sorry for the duplicate post, stupid phone posted it twice. Mod, please remove if possible.

 

[96firephoenix]

Problem solved.

 

[PlinKing2392]

Exactly. We were just wondering about the legal ramifications of using such munitions on an intruder and calling the le to apprehend them after they had been subdued.

 

[Cygnus]

21st Century and others were selling 12 gauge rubber baton rounds a few years back. I can't imagine that would have changed.

I have no knowledge on the legalityu of use but you can buy them.

 

[esrice]

Half the Problem solved.

FTFY

Throwing a flashlight on a gun doesn't make you any more prepared to fight in the dark than giving a 16-year-old a 700HP car prepares him to win the Brickyard 400.

As VUPDblue already suggested, it sounds like this person needs a mindset adjustment before they need rubber bullets. That doesn't make him stupid, it just means he has further to come before he loads up his shotgun and goes stomping through his house. A class on home defense and the defensive use of a shotgun (or handgun or whatever) would do him wonders.

He would soon realize that fears of shooting a loved one aren't as big of a deal. What he's actually fearing is his own perceived inability to handle such a situation effectively. He will feel this way until he gets his confidence up, which comes when his skills are more up to snuff.

Leave the less-lethal shotgun munitions to the police.

 

[indykid]

When my daughter was living at home, we had code words to use if we ever heard that bump in the night. The words would verify where each other was and if we were in a designated safe area. And we PRACTICED over and over and over until it was part of our being, and we still practiced communications and knowing safe and unsafe locations.

As for using a firearm for personal defense, you must be of the mindset that if you need to use the firearm for defense of yourself or a loved one, you must be ready for the fact that you might kill someone. If you can't live with the fact that to protect yourself, you might have to take a life, then you really shouldn't have a firearm.

You also can't have enough training and again practice in the art of home defense. Remember it almost never happens like it does on TV.

Just my opinions.

 

[Shay]

I've got a fairly creative imagination (just ask my students) and I have a hard time coming up with a situation where you would be safer shooting someone with a 12 gauge less lethal round than with regular shot.

 

[paperboy]

Problem solved.

What he said.....

 

[Mgderf]

www.paraklesetechnologies.com

Here is an Indiana company that offers "less-than-lethal" ammunition.
Availability to the public, and legal ramifications of use are beyond my pay-grade.

 

[Shay]

Here is an Indiana company that offers "less-than-lethal" ammunition.

If it comes out of the end of a gun and it doesn't say 'nerf' on it, it's less lethal not less-than-lethal.

 

[PlinKing2392]

When my daughter was living at home, we had code words to use if we ever heard that bump in the night. The words would verify where each other was and if we were in a designated safe area. And we PRACTICED over and over and over until it was part of our being, and we still practiced communications and knowing safe and unsafe locations.

As for using a firearm for personal defense, you must be of the mindset that if you need to use the firearm for defense of yourself or a loved one, you must be ready for the fact that you might kill someone. If you can't live with the fact that to protect yourself, you might have to take a life, then you really shouldn't have a firearm.

You also can't have enough training and again practice in the art of home defense. Remember it almost never happens like it does on TV.

Just my opinions.

I agree, and so does my brother, which is why I am the gun owner in the family, and he isn't.

Again, we were discussing hypothetically. And as I'm the family gun nut, he thought I would know. When I didn't, I posted it to the INGO brethren.

 

[badmac183]

I'd take birdshot over rubber balls any day.

 

[ghitch75]

buddy of mine down the road was goin' to get bean bags for his 12g and wanted to know what i thought of it?....

i said throw the 12g away and get a ball bat.....

 

[gajones06]

Delta Force | Exotic Shotgun Ammo

This website has a bunch of less lethal rounds for shotguns..as well as some other fun loads. From my understanding there isn't anything illegal about them but I could be wrong...

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I've heard people talk about making the first round birdshot (in case of that misidentification issue) and then following it up with 00 buck (once you've determined it is indeed a bad guy). Got to agree with the training advice above all though.