NOT Adult enough to select your own beverage ???

[308jake]

All this Whore talk is making me want a caffeinated beer. Let's get the party started.

 

[Bapak2ja]

All this Whore talk is making me want a caffeinated beer. Let's get the party started.

I really like this forum! Lots of wisdom here.

 

[Disposable Heart]

I agree fully, this is pure and unmitigated crap. I am against caffinated alcohol. I think it can give folks a false impression of their actual intoxication level and they are going to drive, killing someone in the process. Regardless, but still, the .gov has no right in this junk and ANY drug can get someone hurt, but it is Darwinism, LET THEM KILL THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT!

It's once again another example of knee jerk reactionary BS that continues to whittle away our rights through means that are surrepticious at best. State level and city level bans can occur quicker and look to be harder to fight, particularly when it is localized fear, like the Spice crapola and other stupidity. Heck, Ohio, I could not find a drop of 151 or Everclear. Some strange localized ban, but folks got it anyway, either from the Wright Patterson PX or from Kentucky.

Simply banning the caffinated stuff does not address anything. Jager Bombs are just as bad in regards to bodily damage. Heck, I could get trashed and drink Red Bull all night and get the same effect. It's the principle, the "someone think of the children" crap that spews from sheep mother's mouths when their nitwit kid dies from OD. One less kid I have to worry about killing me or my family when they drive drunk. I would rather have them drown in their bile at home than driving around drunk. Their kid is a stupid, let them kill themselves by being stupid.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Now I'm going to have to go back to mixing red bull and hooch myself.

Damn....

 

[MinuteMan47]

Now I'm going to have to go back to mixing red bull and hooch myself.

Damn....

I rarely drink anymore. But, if I do, my drink is Vodka and Red Bull. So, what's stopping me (or anyone else) from mixing the drinks...I guess it will just be illegal to have companies pre-mix and bottle the drinks for you.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

It's because they the elite think the sheep are too stupid to decide what's good and what's bad for them; the herder has to make laws to protect the sheep from the big bad wolves.

Honestly there is a good portion of people that are too dumb to determine what is good for them and not. However, I for one hope all those people OD on four loco and die.

Its pretty ridiculous when laws have to be made for a small portion of idiots that ban something perfectly legal for the majority.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I rarely drink anymore. But, if I do, my drink is Vodka and Red Bull. So, what's stopping me (or anyone else) from mixing the drinks...I guess it will just be illegal to have companies pre-mix and bottle the drinks for you.

Yep. Great idea, right? That should stifle economic growth or anything.

There was a demand for pre-mixed drinks, the demand was met, and now it's illegal. Way to go government!!!

 

[U.S. Patriot]

Welcome to socialism! I can not make my own decesions. I need the Gumberment to hold my hands.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Socialism is just sharing resources (whether you want to or not).

This is facism.

A socialist would still let you produce caffinated alcohol, they'd just want you to make enough for everyone and share your profits with them.

A facist tells you how you'll be allowed to live your life. Similar to USSR style communism.

 

[dross]

Big Brother does have a role in making sure the consumer gets a safe product and knows what can result from consumption of a product. So, (man, I can't believe I am going to write this!), perhaps a warning label on the product delineating the dangers would be an acceptable alternative. E5RANGER375 gets his freedom and I get my warning.
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But the guy who makes the beverage doesn't get HIS freedom.

I want a thing. You have the thing I want for sale. It's between me and you.

Your assumption is that if Big Brother doesn't take care of the situation, no one will. I can imagine any number of market solutions that could arise to take care of safe products.

Look at how the government handles safety in drugs right now. They prevent people from getting lifesaving drugs that might currently be being used at this moment in Europe. It might take years to get approval, while sick people die. Then, even after the company trying to provide the drug has waited and lost money during the approval process, they can still be liable if there is some unknown harm in using the drug.

There is no ban currently on caffeinated alcohol drinks, but most people know that they can give you a false impression of your level of intoxication. Alcohol education has been out there for a long time. Government involvement should always be the LAST resort, not the first.

And remember, every single law that is passed, without exception, was passed first to either gain votes, or raise money, and any practical good effect the law has is a secondary consideration.

 

[Bill of Rights]

...Adults should be able to make their own choices. Free market will police itself.

I think I will have to disagree with him on this one. Big Brother does have a role in making sure the consumer gets a safe product and knows what can result from consumption of a product. So, (man, I can't believe I am going to write this!), perhaps a warning label on the product delineating the dangers would be an acceptable alternative. E5RANGER375 gets his freedom and I get my warning.

But who has to pick up the body from the street? The parent? The supplier? Big Brother?

Who pays for the funeral? E5RANGER375? Me? Big Brother?

You can bet your life on the fact it will not be the supplier or the one who holds stock in the company. They are just the American version of the Hindu priest who is entitled to his child whore.

While your comments about E5Ranger could equally be applied to you (good posts, that is), the above two points are, IMHO, debatable and incorrect, in that order. First, I don't accept the premise that Big Brother has the role of which you speak. Look, for example, on the back of most of your household appliances and find the little circle with the UL in it and the word "LISTED" in all caps. Underwriters' Laboratories is a private business concern, not government, whose seal is sought-after. No one is forced, other than by market pressure, to obtain that certification and listing, yet they all seem to do it. Therein lies the responsibility. Government's role is to protect us from fraud, protect our borders, and punish those guilty of violent crimes who survive the crimes they commit, not to micromanage every niggling detail of our lives and ensure that we not use a product which may do us harm.
Think also about your county health department: They go and do a restaurant inspection... Let's suppose that the power to close a restaurant was denied them- all they are expected to do is observe and report. In exchange, let's remove the idea that they tell the business owner when they're coming, so they can come in any time and inspect. If they find deficiencies and/or violations of safe food-handling practices, they post the report right at the entrance and somewhere accessible by the people. Sure, the business owner could remove the report-it's on his door, after all- but he could not remove it from the web or the health department's database or literature. Would you eat in a restaurant that you knew had rat turds found in the kitchen and that the dishwasher had hung his skivvies up over the sinks to dry after he washed them, or that refused to post their last inspection?

You're correct in the idea that the information needs to be available. People need to be able to make informed decisions. I know tobacco can be harmful, but if I choose to use it anyway, that's my choice. Drugs? Sure. If I want to use, that's my business. If you're an employer and want to test to make sure I'm not using, that's your business, so long as there is no punishment of law if I have been.

Who picks up the body and pays for the funeral? Right now, most of the time it's you and me, and where I disagree with you is that either of us might hold stock in that company. Should it be the company itself, though? Should we be holding corporate entities responsible for the proper operation and action of those things they make? For example, if someone robs a bank and their getaway is done in a Mustang, should Ford Motor Co. be responsible? Should Smith and Wesson be accountable for the fact that the robber used a copy of Dirty Harry's Model 29? Or should businesses only be accountable if their product malfunctions due to a failure in it's design?

In the case of a child, the parent probably should have kept a closer eye on them and taught them about moderation. When the victim is the innocent victim of a negligent or intentional act, such as a drunk or drugged driver, that person should be descended upon with the full weight and force of either the bereaved family or the power of the courts... or both... and pay restitution for physical losses without the benefit of insurance to do it for him (such as the case of the victim being injured but not killed) or in the case of a loss that cannot be repaid (such as when the victim is killed), the payment of medical and legal expenses and funeral costs, and once those are paid, the loss of their own life, if the family wishes it.

That's my take on it. YMMV.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bapak2ja]

Well said, Bill!

 

[Bapak2ja]

And remember, every single law that is passed, without exception, was passed first to either gain votes, or raise money, and any practical good effect the law has is a secondary consideration.

Now that is a powerful statement.

 

[snowman46919]

Once you concede that possession of a naturally occurring plant is the government's business, you pretty much concede everything in that arena.

I think has been the best point that has gone ignored from what I skimmed I have seen on the subject. At any rate and to be as brash and cavalier as possible isn't any consumption deaths just an evolved form of natural selection? I am pretty sure no one has died from the over consumption of a naturally occurring seed bearing plant in its raw form.

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