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  • Faine

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    So my employer being the legal eagles they are dismissed the potential liability of allowing its employees carrying firearms by setting an anti-weapons policy that is restrictive enough to ban tazers, pepper spray, and "anything menacing in nature." I think it important to preface the issue with this so it's clear there is no grey area.

    The issue at hand is that I am a manager and in general that makes me a target for employees past and present. I found out today that a certain employee is being forced to work for me because they are mentally unstable and infatuated with their current manager, enough to claim they had relations and when the love went unrequited file a claim with the DoL, which the employee lost. Since then, the employee has continually gotten more and more unstable to the point it was determined to move them to another team, mine. Now I have 4 employees on my team that left the team that employee was on because of that employee and the animosity has not passed with time.

    I feel like my life is endangered just by being associated with this employee as their manager and on top of that I feel I'm being thrown in the middle of an extremely hostile situation, a powder keg if you will. The explosion and fallout could be gargantuan. The question is, do I risk ruining my employment, career, future and livelihood by carrying to protect my life and the lives of my employees or drop it and hope?

    I'm not currently equiped to carry concealed with any assurance I won't get caught, a Glock 19 is simply too large, I have a desk job and so my shirt may ride up when I sit as may my pant legs. I've thought about carry in a briefcase as well, but I'm still dealing with the, should I.... There won't be any warning if I am caught, it will mean immediate termination so my concealment must be 100% 100% of the time.
     

    spec4

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    Tough situation. I would explore my options to seek employment elsewhere. The sun doesn't rise and set on your current employer. I know how difficult this can be, but you owe it to yourself and family if you have one. Anyway, how can you be an effective performer in this situation?
     

    SEIndSAM

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    Tough situation. I would explore my options to seek employment elsewhere. The sun doesn't rise and set on your current employer. I know how difficult this can be, but you owe it to yourself and family if you have one. Anyway, how can you be an effective performer in this situation?

    Yep, that's about all you can do.
     

    Que

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    Your employer has created a hostile and dangerous work environment? Hmmmm... I'm not sure where you work, but it seems like you have some options, including filing your own complaint with DoL. The no weapons policy will only prevent you from protecting yourself from a person who is known to be unstable and may have the capacity to become a danger. I don't understand why the guy is still employed there.
     

    Harleyrider_50

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    An' keep yer yap shut...........:yesway:
     

    Faine

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    Nope, this is no ones relative. The company won't terminate employment outright without further incidents because it doesnt want to be sued, the employee in question is openly bi-sexual and the company fears financial and public reprisals unfounded or not.

    I've been looking for alternative employment for some time but finding a salary that meets my needs in a job I would be competent in is taking some work to find.

    Right now I'm taking the mindset that I'm better off alive and unemployed than dead and unemployed. Additionally, it seems to me it's unfair for my employees to shoulder the burden of protection. By tomorrow I will have probably put myself back on the fence though, 15 years of employment and my life bleeding for this company and I may end up literally bleeding for this company.
     

    Expat

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    I would carefully document everything the new employee does wrong. I would push the person as much as is appropriate on their work. I would be looking to manage the person out of the company as quickly as possible.
     

    jbombelli

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    Written documentation with dates, times, and descriptions of events, including complaints to management, is your friend. Call it your Pearl Harbor file.
     

    HoosierLife

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    Nope, this is no ones relative. The company won't terminate employment outright without further incidents because it doesnt want to be sued, the employee in question is openly bi-sexual and the company fears financial and public reprisals unfounded or not.

    I've been looking for alternative employment for some time but finding a salary that meets my needs in a job I would be competent in is taking some work to find.

    Right now I'm taking the mindset that I'm better off alive and unemployed than dead and unemployed. Additionally, it seems to me it's unfair for my employees to shoulder the burden of protection. By tomorrow I will have probably put myself back on the fence though, 15 years of employment and my life bleeding for this company and I may end up literally bleeding for this company.

    Who cares who marries who?? It doesn't affect anyone else....
     

    dprimm

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    Written documentation with dates, times, and descriptions of events, including complaints to management, is your friend. Call it your Pearl Harbor file.

    Keep copies of everytzhing at home. Much harder for things to just 'disappear'.

    Perhaps contacting one of the lawyers on here and see if they can find any wiggle room.
     

    Shadow8088

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    Isn't Indiana an at-will employment state? They could simply choose to release this employee for no reason whatsoever. A discrimination lawsuit would we escorted from the court quickly...
     

    Faine

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    I would carefully document everything the new employee does wrong. I would push the person as much as is appropriate on their work. I would be looking to manage the person out of the company as quickly as possible.

    Written documentation with dates, times, and descriptions of events, including complaints to management, is your friend. Call it your Pearl Harbor file.

    We already document, I have already been told no meetings without a third party and all written communication goes directly to HR who will craft my reply for me. I'm already prepared to deal with the work side, it's the crazy I'm concerned about. The rapid eye movements, stuttering, making up new words and having conversations between their personalities are what I want a backup plan for.
     

    bradmedic04

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    This is insane. Taking an unstable employee and just moving them around sounds like the gubmint way of doing things.
     

    spec4

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    This ^^^ Document to the nth degree. Make HR aware of your concerns and have all documented (e-mail copies?). Also consider that your employer can decide to get rid of you instead of the problem. I've personally seen attempts to do this at my former employer. Consider reviewing this with an attorney who specializes in employee/employer law.
     

    JB357Mag

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    Yea!
    This is insane. Taking an unstable employee and just moving them around sounds like the gubmint way of doing things.

    Funny you should say that, in the USAF they had a nuts guy in the munitions section so
    they moved him to our section, and they did it twice when I was in.

    Jimmy
     

    printcraft

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    S.............. I found out today that a certain employee is being forced to work for me because they are mentally unstable and infatuated with their current manager, enough to claim they had relations and when the love went unrequited file a claim with the DoL, which the employee lost. Since then, the employee has continually gotten more and more unstable to the point it was determined to move them to another team, mine. Now I have 4 employees on my team that left the team that employee was on because of that employee and the animosity has not passed with time. .............


    You're the manager? Indiana is at will. Document the behavior. A lawsuit is going nowhere.

    How about trying the: "Hey, knock that **** off or you are FIRED!" approach?

    Keeps doing it? Fired. GTFO. Deny the unemployment claim.
     
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