NRA ad goes too far?

[rhino]

I hate to Denny this up for you but we're talking about an NRA add that's purposed to increase membership. My beef with it all along is that it's aimed at the right. We're not going to win with echo-chambers. They have theirs too. I think our best weapon is cognitive dissonance. Blow their minds with truth. Instead the NRA chooses to recruit from the same usual tribe.

Clearly it's not an "echo chamber" (I hate that phrase), with this topic in evidence. While those who object to the add may not self-identify as "the right," those who oppose the individual RKBA absolutely would lump anyone who supports IRKBA as "the right" or worse (in their minds).

Given the level of noise in our society, I don't think you can reason with people and blow their minds with the truth unless and until you actually get their attention. Dana Loesch's ad is getting attention. Perhaps a better approach would have been to incorporate additional, less aggressive messaging in the same piece. Get the attention, then apply the reason and logic and blow minds with the truth.

You can't blow a single mind with the truth if it's not paying any attention to you. Ask any school teacher.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I didn`t know there were black or white or yellow or red gun rights...I kinda thought every law-abiding U.S. citizen had the same ones...

Lol, if had a mile in my shoes.....You act like perception of people (for a variety of things) is neutral. I have the upmost confidence you know better.

 

[bwframe]

NRA to DOJ Women's March expected to draw huge crowds, create traffic issues in D.C. area | WJLA

http://wtop.com/local/2017/07/two-day-protest-starts-nra-ends-doj-lane-closings-friday-night/

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/07/womens-march-nra-tamika-mallory-protest/

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Looks like we're pissing the right people off. Good job Dana and Colion!

 

[Kutnupe14]

I hate to Denny this up for you but we're talking about an NRA add that's purposed to increase membership. My beef with it all along is that it's aimed at the right. We're not going to win with echo-chambers. They have theirs too. I think our best weapon is cognitive dissonance. Blow their minds with truth. Instead the NRA chooses to recruit from the same usual tribe.

But nevertheless, I'd like you to wargame this out for me with your "Knuckles of truth" strategy. And let's speak in concrete terms. What, exactly is it that the other side is doing? And, what exactly do you propose to counter what they're doing? Just how metaphoric are your knuckles?

The NRA could be huge if it decided to take notice, and work on behalf, of communities where self-defense was an actual everyday concern. Let's be honest, the NRA focuses on people who are the LEAST likely to need their firearms. Now that does not discount their other focus of sporting endeavors, but we all know that they tend to rally around the protection aspect.

 

[actaeon277]

I'm telling you man, threads like this just suck you in.

NRA to DOJ Women's March expected to draw huge crowds, create traffic issues in D.C. area | WJLA

2-day protest to start at NRA and end at DOJ; lane closings Friday night | WTOP

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/07/womens-march-nra-tamika-mallory-protest/

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Looks like we're pissing the right people off. Good job Dana and Colion!

It's not an anti-gun protest.


Right.

 

[cbhausen]

Obama has successfully completed the grouping of society. Divided we are more easily controlled and conquered.

You are correct in your statement. We all get the same package of rights and privileges when we draw our 1st breath. No one gets more. No one gets less.
Well, unless you are a squeaky wheel special interest.

In a Perfect Union, yes... but ours is Imperfect. How, when, and where we can defend ourselves is one example.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

REAL MEN DON'T NEED GUNS.... except those men just outside of the shot on the left that are protecting us with their guns.

 

[IndyDave1776]

The NRA could be huge if it decided to take notice, and work on behalf, of communities where self-defense was an actual everyday concern. Let's be honest, the NRA focuses on people who are the LEAST likely to need their firearms. Now that does not discount their other focus of sporting endeavors, but we all know that they tend to rally around the protection aspect.

Valid point. Not so much attention is given to those in great need of protection for whom a HiPoint makes a major dent in the budget. I would argue the obvious reason for this resting on the contents of the check book.


Now, as for the issue of the aggressiveness of the video, let's take a look at the basic types of people in the political continuum...

Right wing political leadership--generaly don't give a damn about 2A other than recognizing that they need our votes.

Pure Libertarians/libertarians--support the 2A unequivocally as a matter of principle whether they like guns or not.

Conscientious gun owners--no explanation needed.

Fudds--support 2A up to a point.

Light duty right of center voters who vote pro-2A because it is part of the bundle.

Indifferent middle--well, it's indifferent.

Light duty lefties/liberals--vote anti-2A largely because it's part of the package they like in general.

More committed left/liberal--anti-2A because they are convinced that the bad guns are going to get them.

Hard left--anti-2A out of hating everything about us including but not limited to being non-sheep and especially hate hunting with religious zeal.

Left-wing political leadership--anti-2A because, as Sarah Brady so eloquently put it, "In order to impose our vision of a socialist America we must first disarm those who would oppose us."

Now, as I see it, scooping up a larger share of the middle is the only room we have to grow, which is not going to be easy because of the simple fact that indifferent people are unwilling to care until they find a compelling reason, which generally translates into an incident striking close to home that scares them s**tless. So the, unless we start hiring criminals to victimize these people, I don't see much mileage to be gained in pursuing them. I wish it were otherwise, but I just don't see it.

Going any further left, you are unlikely to find anyone willing to give up their pet portion of the leftist agenda to support gun rights. I have spoken with plenty of people in my travels who, for whatever reason, don't believe that a meaningful attack on the 2A can be successfully carried out (of course that holds an entirely different meaning for a Fudd than it does for most of us).

Go even further to the left, any you are running right into people who consider being anti-gun to be a crown jewel of their political values. Just not going to happen there.

So, now, where are these people whose delicate sensibilities we can't offend in order to pull them into the tent?

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

REAL MEN DON'T NEED GUNS.... except those men just outside of the shot on the left that are protecting us with their guns.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GPIA7R again.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Anyone know how the march is going? My Google Fu shows me yesterday's stuff.

 

[GIJEW]

The NRA could be huge if it decided to take notice, and work on behalf, of communities where self-defense was an actual everyday concern. Let's be honest, the NRA focuses on people who are the LEAST likely to need their firearms. Now that does not discount their other focus of sporting endeavors, but we all know that they tend to rally around the protection aspect.

Check out Colion Noir's video, he speaks too that. The NRA has done exactly that; not exclusively, but the Black community hasn't been overlooked. As for getting huge, in the last 25 years the NRA has grown from about 3 million members to about 5 million. That can't be attributed to population growth.

 

[GIJEW]

REAL MEN DON'T NEED GUNS.... except those men just outside of the shot on the left that are protecting us with their guns.

Denial=willful blindness, and being 'smart' isn't a sure fix.
I once saw the Dalai Lama blathering about disarming the whole world except for a UN 'police force'.....while he was surrounded by a phalanx of FBI agents and a bomb sniffing dog.

 

[lonehoosier]

REAL MEN DON'T NEED GUNS.... except those men just outside of the shot on the left that are protecting us with their guns.

 

[gregr]

REAL MEN DON'T NEED GUNS.... except those men just outside of the shot on the left that are protecting us with their guns.

Bingo. In the paranormal, delusional world of liberal fantasy, police are mystically free of any of the mental, emotional, or other defects that supposedly make mere civilians incapable of safely, reasonably, and responsibly, exercising our Second Amendment rights. You simply cannot find lucid response from most liberals.

 

[2A_Tom]

Anyone know how the march is going? My Google Fu shows me yesterday's stuff.

Oh! They had about 2 Billion out there, but the parks department doesn't make estimates we have to trust the MSBSM.