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NY State Senators Say We've Got Too Much Free Speech; Introduce Bill To Fix That
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theweakerbrother
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He's right, you know. Free thinker!!!
HeadlessRoland
Shooter
"History has shown us that government leaders often ignore the fundamental fact that people
demand both dignity and freedom. Because of this disregard, these decision-makers then initiate
acts that are ultimately self-destructive. To illustrate this point I will remind the reader of the origin
of two of modern history's most destructive events, and of all the warning flags that were frantically
waving while the instigators rushed headlong towards the abyss.
In the late 19th and very early 20th centuries, European leaders formed two major alliances.
Germany, Austria, and Italy comprised one coalition, and Britain, France, and Russia the other.
Belgium remained neutral per an 1839 treaty signed by all of these nations except Italy.
The smaller European countries became indirectly involved in the two aforementioned alliances.
One such example was Serbia, a country Russia had pledged to aid in the event of war between
Serbia and Austria. Despite Russia's presence, Austria annexed a large part of Serbia,
a province called Bosnia, in 1908.
Few people remain emotionally indifferent when their culture and country are taken over
by an aggressor, and the Bosnian Serbs were no exception. Many Bosnians despised
the government that had chilled their independence. In spite of this obvious fact,
the Austrian leaders sent an archduke to the capital of Bosnia to survey the people
Austria now ruled. This archduke was resplendent in full military ceremonial dress,
festooned with medals and other military decorations, and accompanied by his elegantly-dressed
wife. An objective observer might at this point have said, "Stripping motivated people of their dignity
and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea."
Archduke Ferdinand and his wife arrived in Sarajevo in an open vehicle, and the
only protection either of them had was their chauffeur. This man was expected to drive the car
and at the same time protect the Archduke and his wife with only a six-shot revolver
he carried in an enclosed holster, and no spare ammunition. Our theoretical observer might
here have said, "This is a recipe for disaster."
Almost as soon as the Archduke and his wife arrived in Sarajevo, a Serbian National
tossed a bomb under their car. Its fuse was defective and the bomb did not explode.
Here, our observer might have advised, "A miracle happened. Go home. Now. Immediately."
Despite this obvious wake-up call, the Royal Couple shrugged off the assassination attempt
and continued their tour of the Bosnian capital. Later that same day, a second Serbian National
shot them with his .32, killing them both. The Austrian leaders blamed the Serbian government
for the assassination and demanded a virtual protectorate over Serbia, issuing Serbia a list
of demands. Serbia acceded to all but one of Austria's stipulations. Here, our observer might
have said to Austria's leaders, "Russia has pledged to aid Serbia in any war with you,
and Russia has both powerful allies and powerful adversaries. Serbia has agreed to almost
everything you demanded. Settle, and avoid a world war." Instead, Austria shelled Serbia's
capital with artillery fire.
Our observer might here have told Russia's leaders, "Serbia is not worth starting a world war over,"
but Russia honored its commitment to Serbia and mobilized its army, sending troops to the
Russian-Austrian border. Since this left Russia vulnerable to attack from Austria's ally Germany,
the Russian Army mobilized against Germany as well.
This forced the German Army to mobilize. Since France was allied with Russia, the Germans
feared an attack by France in the west while German troops went east. So Germany decided
to invade France immediately, VIA Belgium. Here, our observer might have said,
"Saying this is your 'destiny' is not going to be good enough, Germany. When you invade
a neutral country and rape their women and slaughter their livestock and burn their houses,
Britain is not going to just look the other way."
When the Germans invaded Belgium, Britain honored its commitment to defend Belgian neutrality,
and declared war on Germany. Every major country in Europe was now at war.
Four years later, over thirty million people were dead, half of them killed directly in the war itself,
and the rest so weakened through shortage of food and medicines that they succumbed
to the influenza epidemic. In addition to the lives lost, the war's monetary cost in 1918
was almost three hundred billion dollars. No sooner had the war ended than the victors demanded
their pound of flesh at the Treaty of Versailles.
The treaty required Germany to accept sole responsibility for causing the war.
It dictated that German military leaders were to be tried as war criminals. It prohibited the German
army from possessing heavy artillery. It abolished the General Staff and the German air force,
and prohibited Germany from producing military aircraft. As in 1914, our observer might have said,
"Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea."
But if such words were in fact uttered, they fell on deaf ears. A humiliated Germany was ripe
for the nationalist message of Adolf Hitler, and in this fertile soil were planted the seeds
of the Second World War.
Today in America, honest, successful, talented, productive, motivated people are once again
being stripped of their freedom and dignity and having their noses rubbed in it. The conflict
has been building for over half a century, and once again warning flags are frantically waving
while the instigators rush headlong towards the abyss, and their doom.
It is my hope that these people will stop and reverse their course before they reach the point
where such reversal is no longer possible."
- John Ross
September 1995
Preface to his landmark novel 'Unintended Consequences,' excerpt
demand both dignity and freedom. Because of this disregard, these decision-makers then initiate
acts that are ultimately self-destructive. To illustrate this point I will remind the reader of the origin
of two of modern history's most destructive events, and of all the warning flags that were frantically
waving while the instigators rushed headlong towards the abyss.
In the late 19th and very early 20th centuries, European leaders formed two major alliances.
Germany, Austria, and Italy comprised one coalition, and Britain, France, and Russia the other.
Belgium remained neutral per an 1839 treaty signed by all of these nations except Italy.
The smaller European countries became indirectly involved in the two aforementioned alliances.
One such example was Serbia, a country Russia had pledged to aid in the event of war between
Serbia and Austria. Despite Russia's presence, Austria annexed a large part of Serbia,
a province called Bosnia, in 1908.
Few people remain emotionally indifferent when their culture and country are taken over
by an aggressor, and the Bosnian Serbs were no exception. Many Bosnians despised
the government that had chilled their independence. In spite of this obvious fact,
the Austrian leaders sent an archduke to the capital of Bosnia to survey the people
Austria now ruled. This archduke was resplendent in full military ceremonial dress,
festooned with medals and other military decorations, and accompanied by his elegantly-dressed
wife. An objective observer might at this point have said, "Stripping motivated people of their dignity
and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea."
Archduke Ferdinand and his wife arrived in Sarajevo in an open vehicle, and the
only protection either of them had was their chauffeur. This man was expected to drive the car
and at the same time protect the Archduke and his wife with only a six-shot revolver
he carried in an enclosed holster, and no spare ammunition. Our theoretical observer might
here have said, "This is a recipe for disaster."
Almost as soon as the Archduke and his wife arrived in Sarajevo, a Serbian National
tossed a bomb under their car. Its fuse was defective and the bomb did not explode.
Here, our observer might have advised, "A miracle happened. Go home. Now. Immediately."
Despite this obvious wake-up call, the Royal Couple shrugged off the assassination attempt
and continued their tour of the Bosnian capital. Later that same day, a second Serbian National
shot them with his .32, killing them both. The Austrian leaders blamed the Serbian government
for the assassination and demanded a virtual protectorate over Serbia, issuing Serbia a list
of demands. Serbia acceded to all but one of Austria's stipulations. Here, our observer might
have said to Austria's leaders, "Russia has pledged to aid Serbia in any war with you,
and Russia has both powerful allies and powerful adversaries. Serbia has agreed to almost
everything you demanded. Settle, and avoid a world war." Instead, Austria shelled Serbia's
capital with artillery fire.
Our observer might here have told Russia's leaders, "Serbia is not worth starting a world war over,"
but Russia honored its commitment to Serbia and mobilized its army, sending troops to the
Russian-Austrian border. Since this left Russia vulnerable to attack from Austria's ally Germany,
the Russian Army mobilized against Germany as well.
This forced the German Army to mobilize. Since France was allied with Russia, the Germans
feared an attack by France in the west while German troops went east. So Germany decided
to invade France immediately, VIA Belgium. Here, our observer might have said,
"Saying this is your 'destiny' is not going to be good enough, Germany. When you invade
a neutral country and rape their women and slaughter their livestock and burn their houses,
Britain is not going to just look the other way."
When the Germans invaded Belgium, Britain honored its commitment to defend Belgian neutrality,
and declared war on Germany. Every major country in Europe was now at war.
Four years later, over thirty million people were dead, half of them killed directly in the war itself,
and the rest so weakened through shortage of food and medicines that they succumbed
to the influenza epidemic. In addition to the lives lost, the war's monetary cost in 1918
was almost three hundred billion dollars. No sooner had the war ended than the victors demanded
their pound of flesh at the Treaty of Versailles.
The treaty required Germany to accept sole responsibility for causing the war.
It dictated that German military leaders were to be tried as war criminals. It prohibited the German
army from possessing heavy artillery. It abolished the General Staff and the German air force,
and prohibited Germany from producing military aircraft. As in 1914, our observer might have said,
"Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea."
But if such words were in fact uttered, they fell on deaf ears. A humiliated Germany was ripe
for the nationalist message of Adolf Hitler, and in this fertile soil were planted the seeds
of the Second World War.
Today in America, honest, successful, talented, productive, motivated people are once again
being stripped of their freedom and dignity and having their noses rubbed in it. The conflict
has been building for over half a century, and once again warning flags are frantically waving
while the instigators rush headlong towards the abyss, and their doom.
It is my hope that these people will stop and reverse their course before they reach the point
where such reversal is no longer possible."
- John Ross
September 1995
Preface to his landmark novel 'Unintended Consequences,' excerpt
Boy if that passes allot of INGO'ers are going to jail!!!
I post under an untracable alias
But....then we would have no politicians!?!?
Attempting to fix cyberbullying through legislation is a symptom of our current cultural ills:
1. People cannot treat each other with civility on the internet. I often read comments on websites (news sites, Youtube, etc.), and wonder, who in the world are these terrible people? They are crude, insulting, and uncivilized. If the space aliens ever get a look at our internet, they will nuke us for sure. I can't blame them.
2. We have no way of fixing this problem except by the intervention of the state!!! This is similar to teachers being forced to call the cops because they have legally no effective means of controlling a wild kid. The kid's parents won't/can't do it, and the teachers can't do it. So it's up to the state. The state's hammer is "one size fits all," and the police has procedures to follow to guarantee equal treatment. The five-year-old troublemaker will leave school in handcuffs, because that's what you do with arrested suspects. A law has to be impartial, and before you know it anyone who ends up at the police station or the TSA check point gets a cavity search (or the terrorists will have already won).
If this trend continues, I want these various state agents to be trained in screening prostate cancer.
Da Bing
1. People cannot treat each other with civility on the internet. I often read comments on websites (news sites, Youtube, etc.), and wonder, who in the world are these terrible people? They are crude, insulting, and uncivilized. If the space aliens ever get a look at our internet, they will nuke us for sure. I can't blame them.
2. We have no way of fixing this problem except by the intervention of the state!!! This is similar to teachers being forced to call the cops because they have legally no effective means of controlling a wild kid. The kid's parents won't/can't do it, and the teachers can't do it. So it's up to the state. The state's hammer is "one size fits all," and the police has procedures to follow to guarantee equal treatment. The five-year-old troublemaker will leave school in handcuffs, because that's what you do with arrested suspects. A law has to be impartial, and before you know it anyone who ends up at the police station or the TSA check point gets a cavity search (or the terrorists will have already won).
If this trend continues, I want these various state agents to be trained in screening prostate cancer.
Da Bing
Wait...
Where are all the "But politicians love us and don't want to control us, you're just being paranoid" posts?
Thank god Scutter posted it instead of Rambone otherwise this would be a completely different thread. That fact makes me sad.
Where are all the "But politicians love us and don't want to control us, you're just being paranoid" posts?
Thank god Scutter posted it instead of Rambone otherwise this would be a completely different thread. That fact makes me sad.
theweakerbrother
Grandmaster
You know what makes me sad? Hotdogs and buns not packaged in the same numbers. Why isn't there a law for that? Or the fact that when I buy a car, I still have to pay for gas. So dumb, and they should pay for it. I bought the car, not a funnel for my cash. Amirightbro?
This is indeed a scary thought that quite a few "Progressives" have been quoted alluding to in the press.
One particularly scary link I found:
Constitution's Anti-Democratic, Outdated Values in Need of Purge | NewAmerica.net
Some people don't understand that we don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic. Democracy's are transient forms of government that generally wind up in dictatorship or oligarchy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPwnFt_m-RE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGL8CiUtXF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7cY7LfMSbk&feature=related
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