Obama closing part of Arizona to Americans?

[SavageEagle]

Revsaxon sings lead. The rest of us are backup vocals.

Well we laid a strip for the Jersey shore
Prepared to cross the line
I could see the bridge was lined with bears
But I didn't have a doggone dime
I says Pigpen this here's the Rubber Duck
We just aint gonna pay no toll
So we crashed the gate doin' ninety-eight
I says Let them truckers roll, ten-four

Gives me goosebumps every time...

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Reckon he's hoping folks aren't aware of the fact that National Socialist = Nazi.

You are right.... Screw that Nazi and his desire to put foot to A$$ to illegal hordes.


You know, it does say alot when it takes a freaking nazi of all people to lead this fight; This shouldnt even be an issue, but because a of politicians, are just politicians and could give two about every joe, bill and nancy, I think it's come down to this.

 

[revsaxon]

This shouldnt even be an issue, but because a majority of politicians, are just politicians and could give two about every joe, bill and nancy, I think it's come down to this.

You know what they say. Anyone who actually wants to hold office should be barred from it.

 

[JBusch8899]

You know what they say. Anyone who actually wants to hold office should be barred from it.

I don't know what "they", specifically say? However, here is what Plato had to say upon the subject:

The good are not willing to rule either for the sake of money or of honor. They do not wish to collect pay openly for their service of rule and be styled hirelings nor to take it by stealth from their office and be called thieves, nor yet for the sake of honor, for they are not covetous of honor. So there must be imposed some compulsion and penalty to constrain them to rule if they are to consent to hold office. That is perhaps why to seek office oneself and not await compulsion is thought disgraceful. But the chief penalty is to be governed by someone worse if a man will not himself hold office and rule. It is from fear of this, as it appears to me, that the better sort hold office when they do, and then they go to it not in the expectation of enjoyment nor as to a good thing, but as to a necessary evil and because they are unable to turn it over to better men than themselves or to their like. For we may venture to say that, if there should be a city of good men only, immunity from office-holding would be as eagerly contended for as office is now.

 

[StarKing]

Like I stated, the Administration doesn't care about the opinions of
WE THE PEOPLE.
I'm convinced that "O" has resigned himself to being a single term POTUS.
With that in mind, he is likely going to try and cram as much of his "agenda" down our throats as he can get away with.
Or as much as we let him get away with.
Mike

I tend to suspect he means for that "single term" to be of indefinite duration.

 

[StarKing]

You know what they say. Anyone who actually wants to hold office should be barred from it.

My feelings exactly. It should be like jury duty, and anyone who actually wants to do it should be disqualified. Give me the one who has to be dragged kicking and screaming into the office, then kept there by a couple of burly guards.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

I think running for Office, has become so elitist that it is fouled with people who dont care about The People.


I think a regular, average American who is not influenced by "Special interest" lobbying would do one heck of a job.

I always liked Andrew Jackson.

 

[JBusch8899]

I think a regular, average American who is not influenced by "Special interest" lobbying would do one heck of a job.

I always liked Andrew Jackson.

Andrew Jackson was an ill and short tempered man, whose very partisanship reached new levels for the time.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Sounds like a man after my own heart.... He did America a great good during his reign.

 

[JBusch8899]

Sounds like a man after my own heart.... He did America a great good during his reign.

I imagine that is dependent upon one's point of view. The American Native Indian certainly wasn't enthused of Jackson's policies.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

I imagine that is dependent upon one's point of view. The American Native Indian certainly wasn't enthused of Jackson's policies.

Im sure they arent/wouldnt be.



But I can also imagine that the American settlers who were being murdered and raped felt the same way about the Indians, too.

If I remember correctly, they were a Threat to America & citizens/settlers.

 

[JBusch8899]

But I can also imagine that the American settlers who were being murdered and raped felt the same way about the Indians, too.

If I remember correctly, they were a Threat to America & citizens/settlers.

The threat to the settlers was more perception through propaganda, than fact.

However, the genocide and other crimes perpetrated by the American government and settlers upon the various Indiana Nations, was greatly superior to the occurrences of the reverse.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

The threat to the settlers was more perception through propaganda, than fact.

However, the genocide and other crimes perpetrated by the American government and settlers upon the various Indiana Nations, was greatly superior to the occurrences of the reverse.

I dont understand how it is 'preception' and properganda.


Reading Erik the Red's saga of his encounter with the skrealing, who attempted to steal, and the kill all of the Vikings, is that properganda, too?

Saga of Erik the Red - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In America, we have Viking Runic stones, which give some detail to they're experiences in America.

"Eight Goths and 22 Norwegians on a journey of exploration from Vinland very far west. We had camp by 2 rocky islands one day's journey north from this stone. We were out fishing one day. After we came home we found 10 men red with blood and dead. AVM [Ave Maria] save us from evil."

North American Rune Stones

Or previous to the the Vikings, we can hear stories of the Si Te cah, who were exterminated by a coalition of Indian tribes..

Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, daughter of Paiute Chief Winnemucca, related many stories about the Si-Te-Cah in her book Life Among the Paiutes. "My people say that the tribe we exterminated had reddish hair.

Si-Te-Cah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are merely historical, and not even all of them, I simply wanted to make a point that preception has to come from somewhere, somehow.

And the existance of properganda, IMO is moot, simply because at the times, we were importing Asians to work the railroad.

JBusch, you are what I would call a highly intelligent individual, just from reading your posts, I dare say you have some college degrees?
I would dispute vigeriously any who attempted to challenge your logic, but my question and I pose it with all due respect.

We can look back, with relative ease and note, Indians were indeed warlike, and they did have a very Anti-European opinion of the settlers.

The only problem is

1). Europeans had better technology
2). Higher degree of warlike prowess
3). And the means to exploit tribe warfare to they're (European advantage).

Are Latinos or Amerindians in America considered peaceful, or hostile toward America and it's foundation?
I pose this question because these are the descendants, the "indigenous" population - With that said, do people's mentality change?





All that said.. I dont defend what had occured to the Amerindian population. I am however, curious where preception is N/A, and how the reputation of the Indian was properganda.

 

[SavageEagle]

I'm pretty sure if I were an Indian back then and White people were claiming my land as their own without payment or anything else, killing off the source of my livelihood (i.e. Buffalo), and being very hostile to me and my people (i.e. killing, cheating, raping) I'd probably fight fire with fire as well.

What Jackson did to the Indian's was despicable. And he sure wasn't a champion of the Bill of Rights either. IIRC, he was more a proponent of big government.

 

[Joe Williams]

I imagine that is dependent upon one's point of view. The American Native Indian certainly wasn't enthused of Jackson's policies.

Well, to Stormfront disciples, Native Americans aren't really people anyway, so that's irrelevant, right?

 

[JBusch8899]

Well, to Stormfront disciples, Native Americans aren't really people anyway, so that's irrelevant, right?

After being informed of what Stormfront is this past winter, I agree with your assessment (Sarcasm is a wonderful thing). I'm also sure there are some posters on INGO that are in agreement with such the Stormfront philosophy upon the various races, though I'm at a loss for the rationality of such.

 

[JBusch8899]

I dont understand how it is 'preception' and properganda..........

You are already familiar with the terms "perception", and "propaganda". Just as the Brady anti-gun Bunch utilize propaganda to sway the public's perception that all firearms are instruments of Satan; Government officials, Profiteers, and the like, successfully utilized propaganda to paint each and every Native American as a warrior savage, thieves, and beggars; all bent upon killing the white man and violating the white women. This was the perception in the minds of the American people.

This is not to state that there were not any tribal warrior people. Far from it. There were a number of Indian nations who waged war for merely the purpose of the same. Then again, there was a whole number of Indian nations that waged war because of the acts of war upon their people, such as:

• The repeated treaty violations perpetrated by the U.S. Government.
• The encroachment of white man upon lands needed for the very survival of the the Indian Tribes.
• The forced relocations of the Native American people.

While a number of white settlers were killed by the red man, please remember that the red man suffered many more casualties because of the white man.

• Entire native American populations have been wiped out due to disease by the white man.
• The technology of firearms by the white man were largely effective in waging superior warfare.
• The introduction of alcohol by the white man, neutered the abilities and will of the native Americans.

The conditions that these people exist today, is a mere shadow of how their ancestors lived only a few generations ago. In a sense, a war is continued to be waged by our government unto these same people, not overtly, but certainly by attrition.

 

[yotewacker]

I have pictures of guns found there. Not sure how to post them. Got them in an email. Will be glad to email it to somebody if they can post them.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

You are already familiar with the terms "perception", and "propaganda". Just as the Brady anti-gun Bunch utilize propaganda to sway the public's perception that all firearms are instruments of Satan; Government officials, Profiteers, and the like, successfully utilized propaganda to paint each and every Native American as a warrior savage, thieves, and beggars; all bent upon killing the white man and violating the white women. This was the perception in the minds of the American people.

This is not to state that there were not any tribal warrior people. Far from it. There were a number of Indian nations who waged war for merely the purpose of the same. Then again, there was a whole number of Indian nations that waged war because of the acts of war upon their people, such as:

• The repeated treaty violations perpetrated by the U.S. Government.
• The encroachment of white man upon lands needed for the very survival of the the Indian Tribes.
• The forced relocations of the Native American people.

While a number of white settlers were killed by the red man, please remember that the red man suffered many more casualties because of the white man.

• Entire native American populations have been wiped out due to disease by the white man.
• The technology of firearms by the white man were largely effective in waging superior warfare.
• The introduction of alcohol by the white man, neutered the abilities and will of the native Americans.

The conditions that these people exist today, is a mere shadow of how their ancestors lived only a few generations ago. In a sense, a war is continued to be waged by our government unto these same people, not overtly, but certainly by attrition.

Decent post.


However, I did not catch a cliffnote of the Indians, using Europeans to further they're own wars against other Indian tribes.
I speculate this was an occurance when the first Amerindian saw the Thunder "Firearms" rock, that Europeans had.

Busch, and Joe, I dont defend what had occured; which is nothing compared to the forced Christianization of Indians, and forced multicuturalism lead upon the Indian peoples.

What I was merely attempting to bring to light is, the Indian people were not innocent, even in they're own genocide, unfortunately.
This has zero to do with any set philosophy

It's simply this, in war the weak loses, the strong prevails. I am the same way with the Romans, who did the same thing with Celts and Germanic tribes.
Greeks, who also committed the same action, under Alexander The Great.
Nothing more or less

 

[Knife Lady]

Again why give up any part of the United States for any reason. We have the means to fight and that is what we should do. Get them bast@@ds out of here and keep them out. Why on earth would you give something away instead of fight for it. Ok lets all go to Chicago and take over Obamas house and turn it into a Crack house. Maybe he will just let us have it cause he wont fight for it.