Obama explains to workers that "we are NOT overtaxed"

[Rizzo]

Boni pastoris est tondere pecus, non deglubere.

 

[melensdad]

You, and people like you, are the real target of this bill.

Males who are employed, relatively young, and reasonably healthy, are the most desired insurance customers precisely because they don't need health insurance. If they have health insurance, they pay in to the pool without drawing out.

The Obama and his minions look at you as a big fat wallet that they haven't started sucking health care money out of yet. Don't worry, though: they're about to start.

YUP. When I was running a company we supplied health insurance and it was very common (over 70%) for males under the age of 30 to request to be taken off the company provided insurance package and "take the money" instead. It got to a point near the end of my carrier that we were paying about $100,000 per month in insurance premiums and we decided to offer premium rebates to employees who 'opted out' of insurance. We only offered it to employees who did not have children to be covered (we used to cover employee + dependents)

This whole BS about the 35 million who can't afford insurance presumed that many who CHOSE OF THIER OWN FREE WILL not to buy it could not afford it. That was/is not true. Many choose not to have it for many reasons.

 

[8shot]

Maybe he is right, look how many voted for him?

 

[Rizzo]

Maybe he is right, look how many voted for him?

Tyrants are always popular when they rise to power.

 

[Expat]

Why does the OP remind me of the old saying "don't pee in my ear and tell me it's raining"?

 

[SavageEagle]

Maybe he is right, look how many voted for him?

Not how many. Who. 90% of his votes came from the inner cities and the ignorant and uninformed. There was a statistical comparison on this board not long after he was elected that showed the number of people who take most forms of welfare was JUST UNDER the number of people who voted for him.

While I know this doesn't mean that all welfare junkies and a few liberal elitists were the only ones that voted for him, it is a pretty good bet that of those who actually voted, the majority were the welfare junkies, the uniformed, and the lefty liberal socialists.

 

[SavageEagle]

Oh, and lets not forget that popular vote doesn't count. Only the Electoral College votes count and they are not bound by what popular vote says. If they were, Gore would have been our last POTUS, not Bush.

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

I was raised to respect the office of President even if you can't respect the man in the office. I'm finding that VERY difficult to live by these days.

I do respect the office - he's our Executive. Do I think him unworthy of the position held by Madison and Jefferson and Washington? Certainly.

But he got in, square.

Our job is to make sure he and no one like him ever accede to the office ever again, and to rebuild the country and reverse some of the damage after he's left.

My main gripe with Bush now, having lived through an interminable eight years, is that his widening of the surveillance net to include all Americans is something that Obama, instead of limiting to international calls - which in my humble opinion is a pretty sound idea - expanded it to EVERYONE and is using it for his own devices. Bush set up the pass, hiked it to Obama, and now he's running hard toward the endzone with it... and corporations who make the technologies which government uses to surveil and infringe upon the innate rights of our countrymen and ourselves should be shunned just as much as our tyrannical masters who would have us crawling on all fours like beasts.

I think the system of governance we have, while imperfect, is probably the best for which we could hope save maybe an anarcho-capitalistic system.
The only thing keeping us safe in our beds at night is the notion in the minds of the masses - and in the heads of our elected officials - that one piece of parchment is Sacred and Inimitable.

Toss away our Constitution, as so many of the Congress seems wanting to do, and we have very little to hold this huge mass of people in line in an orderly fashion. The cog upon which the wheel of our Republic turns is our founding Document, and when either People or Government disregard it, it loses its power to keep order, to preserve our Republic as it was intended and created to do.

So we have to do our utmost to restore our Republic or risk losing our way of life forever. No man has ever ceded Freedom to regain it later... only more chains are added on top of chains, the chains are never removed until by their weight the ones carrying them collapse.

 

[Expat]

Oh, and lets not forget that popular vote doesn't count. Only the Electoral College votes count and they are not bound by what popular vote says. If they were, Gore would have been our last POTUS, not Bush.

Actually they all voted for who they were bound to vote for. It turned out the way it did, because the voting in the Electoral College goes State by State.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

 

[Rizzo]

Oh, and lets not forget that popular vote doesn't count. Only the Electoral College votes count and they are not bound by what popular vote says. If they were, Gore would have been our last POTUS, not Bush.

Another wise inclusion in the constitution to keep a few populous states from dominating more numerous but less populated states.

A Constitutional Republic protects the rights of the minority if followed unlike democracy which makes the majority tyrants over the minority.

 

[The Meach]

You, and people like you, are the real target of this bill.

Males who are employed, relatively young, and reasonably healthy, are the most desired insurance customers precisely because they don't need health insurance. If they have health insurance, they pay in to the pool without drawing out. For the people running this show, it's like selling flood insurance to people in the middle of the Sahara Desert.

The Obama and his minions look at you as a big fat wallet that they haven't started sucking health care money out of yet. Don't worry, though: they're about to start.

Well I hope that they are ready. If i'm forced to buy health insurance I'm going to use the hell out of it. every cough, every sniffle, hell every uncomfortable bowl moment is gonna send me to the doc's office.

If I'm going to pay for it, I'm gonna use the hell out of it.

I view it like my classes senior prank in High School. We coordinated one day, just one day, where every single student in the school rode the bus. Due to the fact that the school budgeted their bus routs based on the fact that a fair percentage of students drove their own cars and had never planned for the possibility that they would have to bus all 2400 students. It resulted in chaos, and we ended up getting the day off.

We can do the same thing for health care if it gets to that point. just effing break it. Break it so bad that nobody can try and pretend its not broke. Break it so bad that nothing can fix it. Then we can sweep away the pieces and start fresh.

 

[longbarrel]

Just an observation for Obama, how many of the un-insured choose to be un-insured? I know several un-insured people whom buy cell phone service, new cars on credit, internet service, make up, tanning packages, you get my drift????

How many cell phones, isp's, make up kits or tanning packages cost
$450-$750 a month?

 

[SavageEagle]

Another wise inclusion in the constitution to keep a few populous states from dominating more numerous but less populated states.

A Constitutional Republic protects the rights of the minority if followed unlike democracy which makes the majority tyrants over the minority.

Right. I wasn't arguing against it this time as I had done in the past. I see it's reasoning now, but they still don't always vote the way the people do. They can be corrupted just as easily as anyone else. I'll stop cause I don't want to turn this into this discussion. We'll leave that to a thread of it's own.

 

[Hotdoger]

How many cell phones, isp's, make up kits or tanning packages cost
$450-$750 a month?

Cell bill 80 to 100 a month?
ISP what 50?
Make up, hair doos, nails, waxs, tans $300 a month ,easy.
Throw in car payments and insurance, gas, apt. rent.


Heck, no budget room for insurance.

 

[wally05]

I'm about to turn 24 and can't afford Health insurance. I'll be covered after 6 months at my new job, so I'm not worried. I take care of myself. I sure as hell don't need anymore money taken out of my check a month for pay for others that choose not to have it... really just pisses me off to no end.

 

[StarKing]

Maybe next time he can up it to 3,000 and include at least one true word spoken.

Given the fact that despite the uncounted words he's already spoken, he does not appear to have come up with a true one yet, I strongly suspect the man is utterly incapable of saying a true word - probably even by accident.
Like many of his cronies, I'm pretty sure he would immediately shrivel up into a pile of dust if a true word ever accidentally passed his lips.

 

[BloodEclipse]