OBAMA: You can put lipstick on a pig . . .

[Paul]

Yea, MSNBC is definitely left biased, there's no disputing that. I do think it gets overstated sometimes tho. With regards with my vote for Obama, my primary reason is to get our country out of Iraq asap so we can focus on what's important, our economy. And I would never vote for someone who is skeptical about the cause of global warming with a VP who is as pro big oil as Palin. Not to mention her complete lack of political experience. I don't really see why I need to explain my motivations to vote, I never asked anyone why they are voting republican. In all actuality, I am registered republican. There, I said it, flame on.

Hate to tell you but we are leaving Iraq, we are slowly pulling troops out. Obama wants to send most of the troops in Iraq right now to Afghanistan anyways. So same money will be spent. Also, how is Obama going to fix the economy? His plan is to raise taxes. That does not stimulate the economy. He says he is going to cut income taxes to 95% of Americans. The problem is, 40% of Americans dont pay income tax. He is going to be sending checks to people who dont pay income tax. That is wealth redistribution, a socialistic tendincy and totaly UNAMERICAN.

 

[Hoosier8]

I kinda did, and I don't even live in IN...

I think you either do or don't. You shouldn't be afraid to take a stand for what you believe in. Just keep the emotion out of it and always, always rely on facts that you can backup, unless it is just your opinion.

I was not for McCain until his unexpected VP choice. To me it showed some innovative thinking and has panned out better than anyone expected. To others it showed pandering to the womens vote. Turns out I am a convention junky and I am looking forward to the upcoming debates. I predict that McCain will come off as sounding sincere, where Obama will not and maybe I will just hear what I want to hear. I just don't think that Obama has the depth of conviction that McCain has and that will be apparent. Just my opinion.

 

[Pami]

With regards with my vote for Obama, my primary reason is to get our country out of Iraq asap so we can focus on what's important, our economy. And I would never vote for someone who is skeptical about the cause of global warming with a VP who is as pro big oil as Palin. Not to mention her complete lack of political experience.

I really do try to stay out of these political discussions. I just get too riled up.

But...

1) I've read in more than one article that Obama does want to pull the troops out of Iraq as soon as possible... and put them in Afghanistan. So how does that focus on the local economy?

2) I can't really comment on the global warming thing. I can't say humans have done much to hurry it along, but I also can't say we can do much to stop it from happening either, so... evolution proceeds.

3) I'd say being the mayor of a small town for a handful of years and then, as governor, running the largest (geographical) state in the Union for two years gives her at least as much experience to run the country as Second in Command as seven years in a state senate and two(ish) years in the US Senate gives Obama the right to run for the top spot.

 

[Hoosier8]

Yea, MSNBC is definitely left biased, there's no disputing that. I do think it gets overstated sometimes tho. With regards with my vote for Obama, my primary reason is to get our country out of Iraq asap so we can focus on what's important, our economy. And I would never vote for someone who is skeptical about the cause of global warming with a VP who is as pro big oil as Palin. Not to mention her complete lack of political experience. I don't really see why I need to explain my motivations to vote, I never asked anyone why they are voting republican. In all actuality, I am registered republican. There, I said it, flame on.

Attaboy!

 

[melensdad]

She is a governor!?

And . . . when you consider it, putting the states checking account online, battling pork barrel spending, and attempting to take advantage of our own natural resouces, are NOT considerd qualifications to the DNC.

Oh, and running a state with a budget surplus, returning money to the taxpayers, increasing spending on education without increasing income or property taxes, those don't qualify as experience either.

How about the facts that she flew to Iraq to meet with deployed Alaskan National Guardsmen, found out what they REALLY needed, and then worked with her staff to get them what they needed, guess that doesn't count either.

This woman has executive experience, although I'll grant you not as much as many would like, but then they have to also admit that Palin has more experience in actually making decisions than both Biden and Obama combined.

 

[semiauto]

Lol, it's cool guys, I understand you all have your reasons to vote McCain, just as I have my reasons to give my vote to the opposite camp. I'm not trying to convince you all that you're wrong, just putting my feelings out there. But that's all from me for tonight, and it's been fun. Just remember why we're all here in the first place: WE <3 THE

 

[Hoosier8]

I would never vote for someone who is skeptical about the cause of global warming with a VP who is as pro big oil as Palin.

Kills me. Big Oil has a profit margin of 9%. The company I work for has a higher profit margin but no one is coming after us. People look only at $ of the profit and not the profit margin and the business of it and apply emotions to it. If oil companies made a smaller profit margin then it starts to become wise to divest and diversify into something else. Who else would bring you the oil? It is just a huge business so the margin $ are huge.

Man has been keeping track of temperatures around the world for about 100 years and all of a sudden, they discovered that we are the cause of all warming problems on earth. The models they use don't even take the sun into account. All previous predictions have fallen flat so far. Sound fishy? Global Warming has now become both a religion and business. The most famous Global Warming expert isn't even a climatologist. Get wise and start doing your own research.

 

[BloodEclipse]

I really do try to stay out of these political discussions. I just get too riled up.

But...

3) I'd say being the mayor of a small town for a handful of years and then, as governor, running the largest (geographical) state in the Union for two years gives her at least as much experience to run the country as Second in Command as seven years in a state senate and two(ish) years in the US Senate gives Obama the right to run for the top spot.

What kind of experience do you have to have, or do you gain by voting PRESENT? The fact is he has never been in charge of anything never had to make any executive decisions and he is a Vote away from being our President. I'll leave it at that because I have it in me, to go on a BIG rant.

 

[Justus]

semiauto:
I know that you love the US, that's not been challenged.

If you value the 2nd Amendment, I urge you to reconsider.

 

[Pami]

What kind of experience do you have to have, or do you gain by voting PRESENT? The fact is he has never been in charge of anything never had to make any executive decisions and he is a Vote away from being our President. I'll leave it at that because I have it in me, to go on a BIG rant.

That's kind of my point. I'm on your side, man.

 

[Hoosier8]

Hey, both Obama and Palin are, by all intents and purposes, relatively inexperienced. It just begs the question, do you want an inexperienced President or VP?

What the Dems say about Palin is that she is a heartbeat away from being the President. I say what I learned from a teacher a long time ago, and it will keep you out of many pointless arguments. He said, "I don't deal in what-ifs."

 

[BloodEclipse]

Kills me. Big Oil has a profit margin of 9%. The company I work for has a higher profit margin but no one is coming after us. People look only at $ of the profit and not the profit margin and the business of it and apply emotions to it. If oil companies made a smaller profit margin then it starts to become wise to divest and diversify into something else. Who else would bring you the oil? It is just a huge business so the margin $ are huge.

I posted this before:






https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...n_posts_record_32_36_billion_tax_payment.html

What other industry pays more in taxes than they make in profit? The Dems say they want to punish Oil Companies for obscene profits and blame them for the price at the pump.
What would pump prices be if the Oil Companies were not burdened with all these taxes?
Taxes hurt low and middle income families. By punishing business, business responds by raising prices. Higher prices hurt lower income people more proportionately then higher incomes.
Raising taxes anywhere always hurt those who think they are making others pay.
Dems use this to make it seem like they are for the LITTLE GUY and hate the BIG GUY. Class warfare. Unfortunately it is just a hidden tax on the little guy who is too uneducated to know he is the target of the taxes after all.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Back on topic The lipstick and old fish comments were both directed at Sarah Palin.
She used the pitbull lipstick joke as we all know and her nickname is Barracuda. This is not a slip of the tongue. I think Obama thought he could slip this in, knowing he would be attacked on it and hoping he could look like the VICTIM.

 

[Episcopus]

It isn't just the Dems that punish oil companies for making money. Local News | Windfall tax lets Alaska rake in billions from Big Oil | Seattle Times Newspaper

It isn't just Dems redistributing wealth. McCain Calls to Reform Pork Barrel Politics - washingtonpost.com (4,000 earmarks in '94 compared to 15,000 in '06; all years controlled by Republicans). Sarah Palin's Alaskonomics - TIME (Alaska is third worst in Federal taxes paid/Federal funds received ratio).

It isn't just Dem's who feel "entitled" to taxpayer money. McClatchy Washington Bureau | 09/10/2008 | Palin expensed her children's air travel to the state

The only good thing about Sarah Palin is her strong support of gun rights and the Second Amendment.

To be frank, I am on the fence between Obama and McCain. I think they want to take the country in the same direction, and maybe to the same place. It seems that their major disagreement is how to get us where we should be.

 

[Steelman]

To be frank, I am on the fence between Obama and McCain. I think they want to take the country in the same direction, and maybe to the same place.

It is beyond me how anyone could vote for either candidate.

McCain (National Socialist) vs. Obama (Olde-Timey Socialist)

 

[MACHINEGUN]

Troopergate will be Palin's demise.. so who cares about pigs and lipstick.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Troopergate will be Palin's demise.. so who cares about pigs and lipstick.

Ummm OBAMA for one..... Maybe Biden for two?

 

[Dogman]

I disagree. I think FOX is fair. They might lean a tad to the right sometimes, but the rest of the media leaning way left with MSNBC leading the way

well said!

 

[Dogman]

semiauto:
I know that you love the US, that's not been challenged.

If you value the 2nd Amendment, I urge you to reconsider.

Not just the 2nd Amendment, but if you value your rights as an American.
Sen. Obama wants to change America into what he and the rest of the world believe we should be.
First it'll be the 2nd then the 1st.

 

[Hoosier8]

Troopergate will be Palin's demise.. so who cares about pigs and lipstick.

Don't know enough about it but since it already has little traction, I don't think it will get anywhere. The fact that the trooper tasered his 10 year old might go in Palin's favor, whether she was in the right or in the wrong. You know how the American people are about KIDS. Sounds more like a pit bull mom move to me and I think that is how it will play out. Of course, I could be wrong.

Interview with trooper on CNN

He said that he was a new Taser instructor, and his stepson was asking him about the equipment. "I didn't shoot him with live, you know, actual live cartridge," Wooten said.

Instead, he said, he hooked his stepson up to a training aid "with little clips. And, you know, the Taser was activated for less than a second, which would be less than what you would get if you touched an electric fence. ... It was as safe as I could possibly make it."

He said his stepson was on the living room floor surrounded by pillows, that he "was bragging about it," and that the family laughed about it.

Asked whether it was a dumb decision, Wooten told CNN, "absolutely."