Officer kills armed civilian

[Timjoebillybob]

Do bank tellers take their video/audio nannies with them to the bathroom? While making private phone calls? While eating lunch and associating wit co-workers?

Casino employees do all of those except the bathroom. How about continuously run with a time limited pause function? An officer can pause it for x amount of minutes then it automatically resume recording, perhaps with an alert 30 seconds before it resumes where the officer can reset the timer if they happened to have taco bell for lunch.

 

[HKUSP]

Well then. I suggest we just call the whole thing off. Nothing will work, or can be done 'cause reasons. Abandon society. This experiment has failed.

Perhaps the Japanese beetles that are sure to inherit the Earth will come up with something a little more sane. I'm out.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

What are your suggestions for what we, the citizens you have sworn to protect and to serve, can do to help make this happen?

Elect City Council members and a Mayor that don't spend money on frivolous crap.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

It might be worth it to get one of those $29.95 body cams they sell on TV.

https://www.harrietcarter.com/products/bell-howell-tac-cam

An actual police body cam is only $139.99.

https://www.amazon.com/MIUFLY-Waterproof-Police-Camera-Display/dp/B071HP9F2X

We aren't allowed to use personally-owned recording devices.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

If the Fowler police have them, there is no excuse for you not to have them.

The money is just a mendacity stalking horse. Marion County law enforcement makes millions upon millions every year, heck I just wrote Terry Curry a check today.

You have the money. Someone at IMPD does not want a record of this sort of brown stuff.

Can you provide proof of that? I know for a fact Chief Roach wants them.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I would have no problem with a camera that can be turned off on a log out for lunch or short break basis.

You take a picture of the bathroom door shut off the camera, go in the restroom, beat a confession out of the perp, walk out, switch on the camera and take a picture of the bathroom door as you leave.

Easy peasey.

And here I thought we were going to continue with our adult discussion.

 

[Denny347]

Casino employees do all of those except the bathroom. How about continuously run with a time limited pause function? An officer can pause it for x amount of minutes then it automatically resume recording, perhaps with an alert 30 seconds before it resumes where the officer can reset the timer if they happened to have taco bell for lunch.

I don't care about a running camera. The logistics of them on a large dept are challenging. LAPD has them and they are the 2nd largest PD in the US. But their city was willing to pay the price. We need storage for 2 million interactions a year and to store them for 10 years. We also need to hire a crew to manage the data and go through ALL the footage to redact your personal information I took when I took a report from you, SSN, address, what the interior of your house looks like, etc (all the videos are public information). I love the idea of running cameras but I'd add facial recognition software to actively looking for wanted persons, much like license plate readers do now. I also want educational meetings to the public that demonstrates the vast limitations of body cams. I hate the thought that people think that the video doesn't lie...it does...or at least it distorts or omits information.

 

[Denny347]

Someone at IMPD does not want a record of this sort of brown stuff.

City...County...Council. They control the money. They will only give us XXX$ and we are in the midst of a hiring frenzy which is very expensive. We are trying to update an embarrassingly decrepit fleet, which it very expensive. We have vital buildings falling apart, again, very expensive. Which one of those should we give up? We cannot even fund these properly now. The Mayor and the CCC have their pet projects. Convince them...not us.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Casino employees do all of those except the bathroom. How about continuously run with a time limited pause function? An officer can pause it for x amount of minutes then it automatically resume recording, perhaps with an alert 30 seconds before it resumes where the officer can reset the timer if they happened to have taco bell for lunch.

Casino employees have the all of their interactions, both private and public, audio and video, specific to the individual, recorded while working?

 

[Timjoebillybob]

So what upper brass said or did something they shouldn't have and it was recorded?

I believe I heard that an officer took some photos/video and sold them to a news org. City couldn't do anything because there was no prohibition against it. So they made a rule that officers can't have any personally owned recording devices while on duty.

I don't care about a running camera. The logistics of them on a large dept are challenging. LAPD has them and they are the 2nd largest PD in the US. But their city was willing to pay the price. We need storage for 2 million interactions a year and to store them for 10 years. We also need to hire a crew to manage the data and go through ALL the footage to redact your personal information I took when I took a report from you, SSN, address, what the interior of your house looks like, etc (all the videos are public information). I love the idea of running cameras but I'd add facial recognition software to actively looking for wanted persons, much like license plate readers do now. I also want educational meetings to the public that demonstrates the vast limitations of body cams. I hate the thought that people think that the video doesn't lie...it does...or at least it distorts or omits information.

I understand the logistics can be challenging, but storage nowadays is cheap. And all the footage doesn't need to be gone through, just the ones requested. Which I would guess would be a very small fraction of the 2 million a year. I also wouldn't mind if the legislature changed the law to exempt footage from inside private residences from public access, with an exception for the owner or persons involved.

Facial recognition, meh. I don't think body cams would do much, too much movement but I could be wrong. And I'll say that video doesn't lie, but it quite possibly doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Casino employees have the all of their interactions, both private and public, audio and video, specific to the individual, recorded while working?

Pretty close, although the one I worked at didn't supposedly audio record in public spaces, but signs stated they did. Employee only areas yes they did audio. Some areas more than others, if you worked in the vault everything was recorded.

 

[Fargo]

When ISP has been fielding cars with license plate scanners going back nearly a decade, the camera issue isn’t a close one to me.

 

[ashby koss]

I live in Cville. This happened 5 minutes from downtown and 10 minutes from my house. This hits close to home. At the end of the day the true responsibility of every officer is to pull into his driveway safe at the end of shift. Screw the criminals, the laws, the everything inbetween, i know people will argue this, but in the end- at the bottom of the stack, they don't want to die. in many cases they are going home to families.

At the same point, should we not OC due to the "percieved" threat and possible shooting as a citizen doing something legal?!" this is a troubling case.

The only thing That I feel would have helped this would be better communication, I cannot help but feel that somewhere in this story is missed communications. The other thing that I have heard around town, (farmers coffe pot talk) is there was a witness in a close by house that saw it all and the office hid in car while the man bled out and he could have been saved. FYI, the crawfordsville hospital is literally 1 mile south of incident on 231, past the overpass...

And no, as far as I know the officers name has not been released.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I know it's been brought up, but I'm stunned that in today's world ISP doesn't use dash cams in their vehicles.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Update, and info concerning the deceased 2005 arrest.

https://www.jconline.com/story/news...troopers-confrontation-linden-man/2448622002/

 

[bwframe]

If the feds can pay grant money for the foolish overtime OWI checkpoints, then surely they can be tasked to pay for cameras?

 

[Clay Pigeon]

A Wal-Mart Cashier isn't under constant scrutiny. At least not even close to the level that an officer wearing a continuous body camera would be.

Folks that work in distribution centers like Walmart, Dollar General, TSC and so on not only work under the view of cameras, they have GPS tracking every move they make for all shifts they work . They work under that scrutiny, why is it a problem for LE?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Folks that work in distribution centers like Walmart, Dollar General, TSC and so on not only work under the view of cameras, they have GPS tracking every move they make for all shifts they work . They work under that scrutiny, why is it a problem for LE?

How are they tracked by GPS?

 

[KLB]

Probably not GPS. Probably RFID.

 

[PhxCollier]

Probably not GPS. Probably RFID.

it doesn’t look like it is in use yet, but
(employee tracking wearables patent)
https://money.cnn.com/2018/02/02/technology/amazon-employee-tracker/index.html

i do know they track the hand held scanner activity very closely. That is what they use to manage how many packages are being picked from the shelf per hour.