Official 2024 POTUS Election Thread

[KLB]

He even wanted the metal detectors shut off so his mob could be armed.

Could you cite a source for that? Trump has no control over security for the Capital building, so I'm not sure how that would work.

 

[KG1]

Could you cite a source for that? Trump has no control over security for the Capital building, so I'm not sure how that would work.

Here was testimony during the J6 hearings from a former aide to then Chief of Staff Mark Meadows who claimed to have knowledge of this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-weapons-january-6-crowd-dont-****ing-care-2022-6

It's not exactly true that he wanted them to be shut off so "his mob could be armed" He wanted them to be able to attend his rally.

 

[printcraft]

Are you kidding me, Trump did not send a bunch of lawyers to the Capital to argue his case, He even wanted the metal detectors shut off so his mob could be armed. How could you watch what happened on 1/6 and not call it a coup d'atat. I just hope they will allow cameras in the court room so we can hear the witness describe what happeded

 

[other guy]

Could you cite a source for that? Trump has no control over security for the Capital building, so I'm not sure how that would work.

From Forbes.
Then President Donald Trump was frustrated that metal detectors were slowing down armed people from entering a rally of his supporters on January 6, 2021, according to former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, who recalled Trump demanding the metal detectors be removed because he believed the crowd was “not there to hurt me.”

 

[oze]

Seems to me a lot of people that disfavor Trump like his policy they just want someone else to carry on with them.

I would count myself among that group. Especially if this person's megalomania didn't result in the loss of Republican majority in the US Senate.

 

[other guy]

Here was testimony during the J6 hearings from a former aide to then Chief of Staff Mark Meadows who claimed to have knowledge of this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-weapons-january-6-crowd-dont-****ing-care-2022-6

It's not exactly true that he wanted them to be shut off so "his mob could be armed" He wanted them to be able to attend his rally.

And they couldn't attend the rally because the were carrying guns so he wanted them turned off

 

[other guy]

It wasn't call for them to be armed.

No, but it was a call to let armed people in. the purpose of the detectors was they did not want armed people at the capital. Evidently Trump did

 

[BugI02]

Are you kidding me, Trump did not send a bunch of lawyers to the Capital to argue his case, He even wanted the metal detectors shut off so his mob could be armed. How could you watch what happened on 1/6 and not call it a coup d'atat. I just hope they will allow cameras in the court room so we can hear the witness describe what happeded

Citations, please

You're talking about the guy who offered Ethanolosi 10000 national guard troops but she declined them because they didn't like the optics. Hard to square that FACT with your 'left conspiracy theory' assertion

 

[BugI02]

And they couldn't attend the rally because the were carrying guns so he wanted them turned off

That link you quote is broken

 

[KG1]

And they couldn't attend the rally because the were carrying guns so he wanted them turned off

According to testimony it was to make the attendance for his speech to be larger more than anything else by increasing the crowd numbers. "He wanted a larger audience."

WASHINGTON (CN) — President Trump was repeatedly warned about armed rallygoers on Jan. 6, and he responded by calling for the Secret Service to reduce security so he could have a larger audience for his speech."

"Cassidy Hutchinson, who was the top aide to Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows, testified this afternoon that, during Trump's Jan. 6 rally at the Ellipse that devolved into a war zone, Trump was angry attendance was not at capacity."

 

[other guy]

According to testimony it was to make the attendance for his speech to be larger more than anything else by increasing the crowd numbers. "He wanted a larger audience."

WASHINGTON (CN) — President Trump was repeatedly warned about armed rallygoers on Jan. 6, and he responded by calling for the Secret Service to reduce security so he could have a larger audience for his speech."

"Cassidy Hutchinson, who was the top aide to Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows, testified this afternoon that, during Trump's Jan. 6 rally at the Ellipse that devolved into a war zone, Trump was angry attendance was not at capacity."

And she also testified he said "there not there to hurt me" SO who were they there yo hurt??

 

[KG1]

And she also testified he said "there not there to hurt me" SO who were they there yo hurt??

Who were they there to hurt exactly? Were they even there with the intent to hurt anyone? No one to my knowledge was threatened or shot by anyone allegedly armed with a firearm at the rally or at the capitol. There is no indication that they were carrying with the intent to harm anyone. You seem to be implying something that never materialized.

 

[BugI02]

And she also testified he said "there not there to hurt me" SO who were they there yo hurt??

False dichotomy. Does not wanting to hurt Trump mean they must want to hurt someone else?

Do you even carry? If so, is it because you wish to hurt someone?

Isn't it possible that they were mostly interested in self protection, since they were going into a crime-ridden progressive hellhole in order to hear Trump speak?

 

[buckwacker]

Are you kidding me, Trump did not send a bunch of lawyers to the Capital to argue his case, He even wanted the metal detectors shut off so his mob could be armed. How could you watch what happened on 1/6 and not call it a coup d'atat. I just hope they will allow cameras in the court room so we can hear the witness describe what happeded

Really man, try decaf or something. Sheesh.

 

[buckwacker]

And they couldn't attend the rally because the were carrying guns so he wanted them turned off

No, but it was a call to let armed people in. the purpose of the detectors was they did not want armed people at the capital. Evidently Trump did

And they couldn't attend the rally because the were carrying guns so he wanted them turned off

No, but it was a call to let armed people in. the purpose of the detectors was they did not want armed people at the capital. Evidently Trump did

Seriously man, this is crazy stuff. NO ONE WAS ARMED. It's DC.

 

[jamil]

Are you kidding me, Trump did not send a bunch of lawyers to the Capital to argue his case, He even wanted the metal detectors shut off so his mob could be armed. How could you watch what happened on 1/6 and not call it a coup d'atat. I just hope they will allow cameras in the court room so we can hear the witness describe what happeded

Hold on. I'm not talking about the riots. I'm talking about Trump trying to get Pence to go along with substituting real delegates for the ones of his choosing. I don't think Trump caused the 1/6 riots. But a lot of people do. And it takes a lot more involvement in finding and sifting through information from all sources to figure out what actually happened, than most people are willing to do. It's easier just to let CNN and NPR fill their heads full of ****.

 

[jamil]

Really man, try decaf or something. Sheesh.

I have no idea what substance he's on, but man that's some slate level nonsense. Trump wanted the metal detectors off? He has nothing to do with the Capitol. That was all on the Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader. And they were told about the intelligence that said there might be violence. They let it happen.

 

[jamil]

Could you cite a source for that? Trump has no control over security for the Capital building, so I'm not sure how that would work.

Slate would be my guess. Or something left of MSNBC. I don't think even Rachel Maddow used that lie.

 

[other guy]

Seriously man, this is crazy stuff. NO ONE WAS ARMED. It's DC.

Seriously man, this is crazy stuff. NO ONE WAS ARMED. It's DC.

At one point Tony Ornato, the Secret Service Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations whose responsibilities included security-related issues told Trump that some followers didn’t want to enter the Ellipse because they “have weapons that they don’t want confiscated by the Secret Service.”

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“I don’t [****ing] care that they have weapons,” Trump said angrily to Ornato. “They’re not here to hurt me. They can march to the Capitol from here.”
Despite the president being “effin’ furious,” his staff didn’t listen to him and the magnetometers remained.
In total, the Secret Service confiscated “42 canisters of pepper spray, 269 knives or blades, 18 brass knuckles, 18 tasers, 6 pieces of body armor, 3 gas masks, 30 batons or blunt instruments, and 17 miscellaneous items likes scissors, needles, or screwdrivers'' from the 28,000 people who went through the magnetometers to enter the protest grounds at the Ellipse.
Many others refused to enter or hid their bags so they wouldn’t have their weapons confiscated. .......

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used​

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Pro-Trump extremists clashed with police during the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. The rioters may not have fired shots, but many were armed with other weapons, court documents show.
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In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."
But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.
Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.
Some supporters of former President Donald Trump have argued that the dangerousness of the Capitol rioters has been overblown. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., has said, for example, "This didn't seem like an armed insurrection to me."
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Others have echoed that view, and conservative and pro-Trump media, like Breitbart, The Epoch Times and the Washington Examiner, have seized on the congressional testimony of FBI Assistant Director Jill Sanborn, who said the bureau did not confiscate firearms from suspects that day. But FBI spokesperson Carol Cratty told NPR that Sanborn was talking only specifically about arrests by the FBI, and not other police agencies that made arrests on the day of the riot — including arrests of people allegedly carrying guns.

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[Ingomike]

What about Trump v Newsom? That’s looking possible since something has obviously changed in what Democrats are willing to report now. Typically they’d be covering for the administration when stuff like then Hunter Biden texts come out. But it may be that they’re moving on from him. Could be that he’s done and we don’t know it yet.

My bet would be bidet never gets the nomination…