Oh No, They're Closing Hunting Grounds Now!

[rvb]

have only skimmed this but looks like a good read:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf

-rvb

 

[jamil]

Is anyone disagreeing with you about welfare?

 

[phylodog]

Sell off 650M acres and let's see what that does to our debt above the cost of maintaining it.

Excellent idea. This country has a history of handling money responsibly. I'm sure it could fund an Obamacar program or something as equally important. I'd sure be happy to see something like that. Of course it would have to be accompanied by an Obamasurance program because we can't ask people to pay for their own insurance on a free car.

 

[phylodog]

Is anyone disagreeing with you about welfare?

I just find it humorous that as **** up as this country is we've decided to ***** about land owned by the citizens of this country and suggest getting rid of it.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Giving money to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

P.J.

 

[hornadylnl]

I just find it humorous that as **** up as this country is we've decided to ***** about land owned by the citizens of this country and suggest getting rid of it.

Yes, but for every dollar coming out of Washington, there is a recipient that votes and is just as vocal for keeping their dollar as you are for yours. This is why we run trillion dollar plus deficits every year and nothing ever gets cut.

Neither providing hunting lands or welfare is a constitutional function of the federal government. But they both exist just the same. Why is one more entitled to their dollar than the other?

 

[wildhair]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...LNuSB4T7yZOHN2qZ_acq24A&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aWM

 

[rvb]

have only skimmed this but looks like a good read:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf

-rvb

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[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]FY2012 Budget of the United States: Analytical Perspectives [/FONT][/FONT]estimated the value of​

all federal lands in 2010 at $408 billion.

-rvb

 

[jamil]

Excellent idea. This country has a history of handling money responsibly. I'm sure it could fund an Obamacar program or something as equally important. I'd sure be happy to see something like that. Of course it would have to be accompanied by an Obamasurance program because we can't ask people to pay for their own insurance on a free car.

I just find it humorous that as **** up as this country is we've decided to ***** about land owned by the citizens of this country and suggest getting rid of it.

Oh, I thought we were talking about this theoretically. In practical terms it is as probable to sell off government land as it is to end welfare. Ain't gonna happen. So, by all means, hunt on. And I'll continue to ***** on. At least one of us will be satisfied.

 

[phylodog]

Neither providing hunting lands or welfare is a constitutional function of the federal government. But they both exist just the same. Why is one more entitled to their dollar than the other?

I guess this is where you and I don't agree. I don't see the "government" (we the people) providing hunting lands. "We" already own them. I don't think the government needs to buy any more. I don't think the government needs to spend money taken from anything other than usage fees on that land. Mother Nature does a pretty decent job all by herself. If people don't want to pay usage fees they can vote against them or not use the land and I believe the politicians should do what the voters want.

The government refusing access to this land or any other natural resource owned by the people of this country as part of the shutdown is criminal.

 

[phylodog]

Oh, I thought we were talking about this theoretically. In practical terms it is as probable to sell off government land as it is to end welfare. Ain't gonna happen. So, by all means, hunt on. And I'll continue to ***** on. At least one of us will be satisfied.

I don't hunt federal land and I can't remember the last time I stepped foot into a national park.

 

[jamil]

I don't hunt federal land and I can't remember the last time I stepped foot into a national park.

Damn. Now we're both ****ed.

 

[rvb]

I've always been torn on the national park/forest debate.

I can appreciate protecting some very unique landscapes, environments, and historical sites. I just think when we are talking majority ownership of a state, it's too much... Too much cost to maintain, too much influence on local economy, too much influence on politics. And you can't call the landscape you are preserving "unique" if 2/3 of a [large!] state contains it.....

-rvb

 

[indiucky]

Some of my tendencies to want to defy overbearing government probably comes from reading "The Monkeywrench Gang" as a young teenager....Old Ed was pretty much a socialist though.

He was really hard to define. "Brave Cowboy" could easily be defined as the ultimate Libertarian/Conservative fantasy come to life but as you said, some of it is pure socialism...I know this, "Desert Solitaire" is one of the best books I have ever read on Deserts and why we need them...I too was influenced by "The Monkey Wrench Gang", it's a heck of a read.

 

[wildhair]

Some of my tendencies to want to defy overbearing government probably comes from reading "The Monkeywrench Gang" as a young teenager....Old Ed was pretty much a socialist though.

He also said, give the illegals a gun and send them back to Mexico. They will know what to do with it.

 

[gunrunner0]

I think the shutdown of federal hunting land differs significantly from the shutdown of national parks. I'm not aware of any taxes levied against all national park goers, specifically for the purpose of maintaining the national parks. However, every hunter pays an %11 percent tax on hunting equipment, not to mention the federal waterfowl stamp every waterfowl hunter has to buy yearly, which ear marked specifically for acquiring and maintaining these properties. See link below for more info on the Pittman-Robertson Act.

So before anybody gets too upset that the government is managing and buying these lands with everybody's tax dollars, keep in mind that a large portion the money came exclusively from hunters. I feel that hunters have earned the right to access and use these lands, simply because we payed for it and continue to do so.

Hunting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[indiucky]

He also said, give the illegals a gun and send them back to Mexico. They will know what to do with it.

Eric Holder did that. Unfortunately it didn't work out....

 

[racer77]

I would be concerned with selling off the 650 million acres of land to foreign investors, or paying off our debt to china. That would be a fly in our soup..... wouldn't put past our current leadership to do something that stupid.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I forget the percentage but the feds own a huge majority of mortgages. Add the value of those homes to the "empty" land the .gov owns...now I wonder what the value of the real estate is that is available for satisfying outstanding debts.

 

[hornadylnl]

If it was "We the Peoples" land, we wouldn't need permission from the fed to use it. There's enough land out there to give all 320 million people in the US 2 acres. Tell the king you want your 2 acres and see how that works out for you.

You can buy your own land and use it how you see fit whenever you want to our you can put yourself at the mercy of the king and hope he's benevolent enough to let you use his.