On the P.C. wussification of US Men.

[DocBoCook]

The Claremont Institute - Wimps and Barbarians: The Sons of Murphy Brown

Feel free to discuss with thoughts, but I think he makes many valid and Blaringly obvious points.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

DBC, first, what are your thoughts on it? I'll read the link, but interested in your take on it.

 

[Fletch]

Some of the arguments are overstated, but overall he paints a good picture.

 

[DocBoCook]

Mostly that men aren't raised to be men any more. and that the P.C. push in the nineties, the economy/culture pushing both parents out of the house to work and let TV, Gangs, overly PC school teachers, and babysitters raise the current generations of men. And society is all the poorer for it.

 

[antsi]

Some of the arguments are overstated, but overall he paints a good picture.

Not so sure about "good."

I'll take "accurate" though.

 

[shibumiseeker]

I'm not really sure what the definition of a "real man" is, but I am pretty sure I don't want to fit some folks definition of one.

 

[redneckmedic]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yQ9a-hJVy0]YouTube - I'm Still A Guy WITH LYRICS [HQ] im still a guy[/ame]

 

[rooster007]

I have three sons 26,25,and 14 . WE have raised them with the same virtues and character , that I was raised with , my father was raised with, and my grandfather was raised with . No Pussification . If you have issues raising your young male do a little selfcheck this is something that we have used in raising our sons.

If a child lives with criticism,
he learns to condemn.
If a child lives with hostility,
he learns to fight.
If a child lives with ridicule,
he learns to be shy.
If a child lives with shame,
he learns to feel guilty.
If a child lives with tolerance,
he learns to be patient.
If a child lives with encouragement,
he learns confidence.
If a child lives with praise,
he learns to appreciate.
If a child lives with fairness,
he learns justice.
If a child lives with security,
he learns to have faith.
If a child lives with approval,
he learns to like himself.
If a child lives with acceptance, and friendship,
he learns to find love in the world.
-Author unknown

Kids don't really come with instruction manuals. Not trying to get off on a religious kick because I know there are some free thinking religion/christianity bashers on here but if you read the Bible or Torah it is pretty good start.

Something that you guys with young males at home need to checkout is
Order of The Black Shamrock

check out the oath,rule,and ideals
It pretty much sums up the way most of the man in my family have been raised

Good luck in the long Project
Rooster007

 

[Ogre]

I understand the point of your thread, and the damage a PC world has done to us as a society. That said, this essay comes off as nothing but a preachy, complaint letter written by a burnt out, frustrated man who laments for days gone by. As if society was perfect in the past. There were many good men raised by single mothers, or in homes with both parents working in 1950s, it wasn't all the "leave it to beaver" utopian ideal he'd like to remember it as.
I understand his complaints about "barbarians" and "wimps", but he paints with too broad a brush. He details exactly what it is to be a barbarian or a wimp, but, maybe I missed it, he never spells out exactly what a "man" does as the inverse of those two.
Does a child need a strong male presence in his life, from early on? Yes, but does it have to be his father? I don't think so. I wager there are many on here, let alone in society, that have been mentored or raised by a mother, and a Grandfather, or Step Father, or Uncle, or Clergymen, even a neighbor or teacher who has impacted and influenced their lives in a positive, enduring way. I was raised in a home in which my mother stayed home, and my father worked long hours. The limited amount of time spent with him on weekends, and evenings was more than enough to teach me the lessons needed to be a "man". This also isn't to say that alot of this can't be or isn't taught by mothers. Respect, discipline, manners, integrity, are not traits known only by men to be taught. If you think this, I imagine many who grew up under the authority of a Nun would disagree.
Saying that these barbarians or wimps are the product of single mother rearing is letting these guys "off the hook". In most cases, if the character of the mother is upright, then the son will see this, and learn.
The same goes for families in which both parents work (which is my current situation). Do you think just because my wife and I work long hours, this will be any excuse for my son to act a jack a$$? think again!
I think the author sees the problems with SOME of todays youth, but I think he puts too high the responsibility on society at large, and not enough on the parents. In my opinion, if your are willing to teach true discipline and integrity, then you are over half way there.
This like anything is just the opinion of another Joe Six PAck, and I will be the first to admit, I am in the early laps of my "race" that is parenting.

my flame suit is on and ready

 

[rooster007]

I understand the point of your thread, and the damage a PC world has done to us as a society. That said, this essay comes off as nothing but a preachy, complaint letter written by a burnt out, frustrated man who laments for days gone by. I understand his complaints about "barbarians" and "wimps", but he paints with too broad a brush. He details exactly what it is to be a barbarian or a wimp, but, maybe I missed it, he never spells out exactly what a "man" does as the inverse of those two.
Does a child need a strong male presence in his life, from early on? Yes, but does it have to be his father? I don't think so. I wager there are many on here, let alone in society, that have been mentored or raised by a mother, and a Grandfather, or Step Father, or Uncle, or Clergymen, even a neighbor or teacher who has impacted and influenced their lives in a positive, enduring way. I was raised in a home in which my mother stayed home, and my father worked long hours. The limited amount of time spent with him on weekends, and evenings was more than enough to teach me the lessons needed to be a "man". This also isn't to say that alot of this can't be or isn't taught by mothers. Respect, discipline, manners, integrity, are not traits known only by men to be taught. If you think this, I imagine many who grew up under the authority of a Nun would disagree.
Saying that these barbarians or wimps are the product of single mother rearing is letting these guys "off the hook". In most cases, if the character of the mother is upright, then the son will see this, and learn.
The same goes for families in which both parents work (which is my current situation). Do you think just because my wife and I work long hours, this will be any excuse for my son to act a jack ***? think again!
I think the author sees the problems with SOME of todays youth, but I think he puts too high the responsibility on society at large, and not enough on the parents. In my opinion, if your are willing to teach true discipline and integrity, then you are over half way there.
This like anything is just the opinion of another Joe Six PAck, and I will be the first to admit, I am in the early laps of my "race" that is parenting.

Ogre very well put ,I agree with your post whole heartedly ,I think as parents sometimes we need to take credit/fault for what we have produced/raised . My father was in the military all of my childhood , but I had other male role models that stepped in to assure that I was raised what I deem as right . My mother was a very strong person/parent but, she had to be , being a military spouse and mother to five .
I apologize in advance for my post being so male child biased but I have no experience in raising girls.

Please consider me for that Joe Six Pack Club , or let me know where to pick up an application

 

[PeaShooter]

Something that you guys with young males at home need to checkout is
Order of The Black Shamrock

check out the oath,rule,and ideals
It pretty much sums up the way most of the man in my family have been raised

Good luck in the long Project
Rooster007

I read a book a couple of years ago called Raising a Modern Day Knight. It had alot of the same ideas as the Black Shamrock. Check it out also.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Great thread Doc.


I think this post could use a ressurection.

I've heard that Estrogen is inside the Soy milk; might explain why liberals seem to limp wristed.

Alot of great, informative posters. I love hearing from the older generations.

 

[DocBoCook]

ALot of people misunderstood my post as me complaining about my child. this is not the case. Its about his classmates, the kids I see in my neighborhood, and the Children that I had to teach right from wrong and responsibility, and heck, how to put down their nintendo controllers and come to work on time before they were put on NJP while I was an E6 in the Navy.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

You have keen observations, Doc. I dont plan to invest in a single Game system. I desire a more traditional American upbringing.
My children will be homeschooled, to help censor the communist/socialist/liberal agenda, but I dont have to allow perverted life styles to influence my kids, like (c)rap, drug-use and early childhood sexual experiences.

I am appalled by the School system, Im forced to pay for, none of which I morally support.

 

[indykid]

It depends on what your definition of "is" is!


And there we have the start of the problem.