One of the reasons for the stagnate economy, lack of participation of young ad

[Leo]

$500 phone!?!? The wife just bought one for her sister. Does everything but mow the lawn and shovel the walk but it's closer to $800. There are "kids" out there doing well but they are not the ones we often hear about. Good place for this. Yeah, I know you've heard it before. Hear it again. https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-mozilla-002&hsimp=yhs-002&hspart=mozilla&p=millenial+song#id=1&vid=49da46c40eb85efc71b46a346e0ac8ae&action=click

I hope the good ones grown strong and prosper, they have a lot of weight to carry.

 

[AllenM]

This coincides with what I see as my average job applicant now. Just a few years ago I would get late teen early 20's for entry level positions. now that average has went up significantly into early 30's and even beyond.

 

[Twangbanger]

I think saying lazy millennials is the reason for the poor economy is kinda like saying cancer causes smoking. I'm 48 so I fall in-between these two generational groups that always seem to be warring with each other, and I have learned not to be too judgemental of others' life choices if I haven't walked a mile in their shoes, and not to expect everyone to live their life the same way I did. Things are different now. Including the character of the people themselves. And the economy. It's all interconnected.

I do tend to agree that the young today, in a bell-curve sense, are not like previous generations and not made of the same stuff. But how would they be? They have had different experiences. They have been shaped by different things. I wouldn't expect a kid attachment-parented by a "helicopter mommy," seeing his uncles or older brothers divorced and bankrupted, or maybe shot up in a sandbox war of choice, to make the same young-adult choices that past generations made. They might not be that eager to join the Military, or get married and set up residence with that high-school girl who caught their eye and go live on Ramen noodle cups in an apartment for a few years, waiting for her to divorce him as soon as she gets a house under her and squeezes out a few kids. What seemed like automatic good "choices" to older generations (and were not really choices at all, just lack of another option), might not seem that way anymore, given current realities.

One thing somebody touched on above (I can't find the comment now), is the role "Uncle Sam" played in previous generations, getting children out of the nest and off on their own. Speaking, of course, of the Military. When you talk to men of a certain generation, it seems every single one of them was in it, even if they did nothing more than peel potatoes. You can wrap that in the flag of patriotism and all, but were they really that much more useful than kids today? Uncle Sam simply provided them with a place to be young for a few years while they got themselves figured out. Some of these guys got their start feeding the American Neverending War Machine, and if it hadn't been for that, they wouldn't have had a damn bit better idea what to do with themselves then, than kids do now.

For example, if you got your education on the GI Bill, as compensation for serving in conflicts that had nothing to do with core U.S. national interest...are you "better" than a millennial today? Just food for thought. I respect that you "answered the call" when you were asked to do so. But did you _really_ have a choice in that? I really think some of the woofing (not necessarily coming from people posting on this thread, just older men in general) would be better replaced with some introspection and looking at the big picture. I understand that simply letting the Military make your life choices for you the first few years of adulthood, and later pay your college for you, might have worked out ok for some generations. That doesn't mean it's still the case.

Donald Trump won for a reason. People want to get back to a society where ordinary American lives matter, and everything is not based on Wall Street profits and looking for a way to send every possible American job overseas, or bring the overseas people here to work for cheap, without regard to the effect on our society. If you were of that "GI Bill" generation who got your education paid for and came back to a booming economy, where American middle-class workers were valued and not simply seen as something to be replaced, congratulations! I salute you on your hard work...and, your good luck. We need to get back to that kind of thinking in this country, before we defecate on the young for their lack of character.

I do not like the fact that 75% of young job applicants at my company, and most "Americans" below a certain income level, all seem to be drug addicts. But the Sexual Revolution, widespread Divorce, neverending war, and the Entitlement Mentality were not invented by Millennials. The lid of that can of worms was pried off by the Baby Boomer Generation. If there's anybody we need to be crapping on en-masse, maybe that's a better place to start.

 

[natdscott]

What I wonder is why the hell does the generation that RAISED X and Y, and who TAPPED Social Security, who has LEAD the country into the worst economic condition seen since the late 1920's, and who has DECIDED THEMSELVES how much to pay their fellow Baby Boomer's kids to work for them...

...complain so much about how terribly these kids are doing?

We outnumber you at this point, so get over it. You LITERALLY had your chance to run the country, and we may be reeling from the economic impact from now until the end of the Union.

If you have Social Security to live on, it will be on OUR backs, not YOURS as it was meant to be.


And though it is certainly not a forgone conclusion that it is even POSSIBLE:

If this country recovers, it will not be by your doing.

-Nate

 

[indyjs]

This country will not recover - so , no worries

 

[JettaKnight]

My mom called me up from the basement to post this message.

 

[BugI02]

We should legalize marijuana use, that will fix everything!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

One thing somebody touched on above (I can't find the comment now), is the role "Uncle Sam" played in previous generations, getting children out of the nest and off on their own...For example, if you got your education on the GI Bill

I've mentioned that before and got a ton of push back. The GI Bill very much helped me get a start on life. Had I been born with any of the defects that prevent military service, made a few worse decisions, etc. I could have lost that opportunity. Any time you suggest the gov't helped on INGO, you're labeled a socialist, but I'd not be where I am today without that "socialism". The WWII generation could even buy houses with their GI Bill. That "socialism" helped the middle class become as widespread as it is. Home ownership, education, a consumer marketplace with money to spend, etc.

When we succeed, we're quick to make it about our individual qualities. When we fail, it's because circumstances conspired against us. The reality is it's both. It's always both, not always in the same ratios, but always both.

 

[PistolBob]

The week after I successfully graduated high school, my stepdad did me the biggest favor of my life. He said, and I quote, "You need to move out by next weekend."

See already he had been teaching me for the previous ten years that a man gets his ass up and goes to work. We never discussed careers, we just talked about why a man needs to work. Second thing he pounded into my smooth little beanie brain was "If you can't be counted on, then you ain't worth poop." Meaning you word is your bond, you don't lie even if it means you take a whack once in a while. Thirdly, you are loyal to three things....your God, your family, and yourself.

Stuff like that doesn't happen much these days because these kids, trapped in the basement, with no clue....are raised by Dr Spock babies....it's generational.

Yeah...now I'm old and cranky...but it feels good.

 

[churchmouse]

The week after I successfully graduated high school, my stepdad did me the biggest favor of my life. He said, and I quote, "You need to move out by next weekend."

See already he had been teaching me for the previous ten years that a man gets his ass up and goes to work. We never discussed careers, we just talked about why a man needs to work. Second thing he pounded into my smooth little beanie brain was "If you can't be counted on, then you ain't worth poop." Meaning you word is your bond, you don't lie even if it means you take a whack once in a while. Thirdly, you are loyal to three things....your God, your family, and yourself.

Stuff like that doesn't happen much these days because these kids, trapped in the basement, with no clue....are raised by Dr Spock babies....it's generational.

Yeah...now I'm old and cranky...but it feels good.

Sounds like my step dad. Only he was a bit more visceral about it.
I have been earning since I can remember. Mowing yards. Raking leaves. Taking out the neighbors trash. Paper route. Flipping bicycles then mini-bikes and go karts. Burger flipping and grocery sack boy you name it.
Bought every car/bike I ever owned.
Most of the kids I grew up with had jobs. My kids.....none of their friends worked or had chores. Parents provided everything except a rational real world view of what life had in store for them. Made it tough on us when we were trying to instill this into our kids.

 

[BugI02]

The week after I successfully graduated high school, my stepdad did me the biggest favor of my life. He said, and I quote, "You need to move out by next weekend."

See already he had been teaching me for the previous ten years that a man gets his ass up and goes to work. We never discussed careers, we just talked about why a man needs to work. Second thing he pounded into my smooth little beanie brain was "If you can't be counted on, then you ain't worth poop." Meaning you word is your bond, you don't lie even if it means you take a whack once in a while. Thirdly, you are loyal to three things....your God, your family, and yourself.

Stuff like that doesn't happen much these days because these kids, trapped in the basement, with no clue....are raised by Dr Spock babies....it's generational.

Yeah...now I'm old and cranky...but it feels good.

THIS ^^^^^ No matter how much "times change" this is still good, useful advice useable in today's or any future world

 

[KellyinAvon]

I've mentioned that before and got a ton of push back. The GI Bill very much helped me get a start on life. Had I been born with any of the defects that prevent military service, made a few worse decisions, etc. I could have lost that opportunity. Any time you suggest the gov't helped on INGO, you're labeled a socialist, but I'd not be where I am today without that "socialism". The WWII generation could even buy houses with their GI Bill. That "socialism" helped the middle class become as widespread as it is. Home ownership, education, a consumer marketplace with money to spend, etc.

When we succeed, we're quick to make it about our individual qualities. When we fail, it's because circumstances conspired against us. The reality is it's both. It's always both, not always in the same ratios, but always both.

I'm on that bandwagon with you BBI. If I hadn't have passed everything at MEPS and left Washington County in February 86 I don't know what the future would've been. The USAF gave me opportunities that I would never have had otherwise. GI Bill let me finish my Bachelors degree and even get an MBA. On my way to get this "socialist" type of benefit I nearly drowned in my own sweat at MOPP 4 in Georgia, got sent to Korea, then Kansas, then Iceland, then Fayettenam, North Carolina (I went to Florida after that, but then they made me leave Florida!!) Went to Virginia, got sent to Qatar from there but actually worked longer hours in Virginia (only worked 66 hour weeks in Qatar).

I guess the difference between socialism and GI Bill is you actually earn every semester hour of GI Bill college tuition.

 

[Leo]

Here is an observation of my neighborhood. I live in a HOA neighborhood. I have served on the HOA board. The Neighborhood is one of the highest demand areas of the city, with most houses receiving offers very quickly, some the same day as listed. 332 single family homes, at least 75 have teenagers.

In 5 years I have not had anyone solicit to mow my yard, do odd jobs or shovel snow. The boys that did take care of my snow two years ago were from another neighborhood. (they grew up and got jobs) I solicited several parents to find out if their boys wanted some work, not a single response. I see the boys driving cars, going out, having new things, so they do have some money. I am amazed to see so many people, including homes with boys living there, use commercial mowing companies.

I know that people are tired of old man stories, but we would jump at the chance to make some coin. I was even in a fist fight when another boy jumped in on one of my mowing customers. There were not really any rich families in my old neighborhood, but many did pretty good, most got by ok, and some were struggling through poverty. I didn't know any boys who did not try to earn a few bucks with odd jobs until they could find a job at a gas station, restaurant, store, warehouse or something. A lot of girls found a way to earn a few bucks too.

When is someone going to tell the youth that drinking latte at Starbucks and taking selfies is not a long term occupation?

 

[Route 45]

Here is an observation of my neighborhood. I live in a HOA neighborhood. I have served on the HOA board. The Neighborhood is one of the highest demand areas of the city, with most houses receiving offers very quickly, some the same day as listed. 332 single family homes, at least 75 have teenagers.

In 5 years I have not had anyone solicit to mow my yard, do odd jobs or shovel snow. The boys that did take care of my snow two years ago were from another neighborhood. (they grew up and got jobs) I solicited several parents to find out if their boys wanted some work, not a single response. I see the boys driving cars, going out, having new things, so they do have some money. I am amazed to see so many people, including homes with boys living there, use commercial mowing companies.

I know that people are tired of old man stories, but we would jump at the chance to make some coin. I was even in a fist fight when another boy jumped in on one of my mowing customers. There were not really any rich families in my old neighborhood, but many did pretty good, most got by ok, and some were struggling through poverty. I didn't know any boys who did not try to earn a few bucks with odd jobs until they could find a job at a gas station, restaurant, store, warehouse or something. A lot of girls found a way to earn a few bucks too.

When is someone going to tell the youth that drinking latte at Starbucks and taking selfies is not a long term occupation?

So, because kids in an obviously wealthier neighborhood don't need to mow your lawn for a few bucks, they are useless latte-sipping selfie artists who will never amount to anything in life.

Ok gramps. Go take your Metamucil.

 

[Leo]

 

[BugI02]

Luckily I'll be dead by the time the millenials fully take over

I consider that a feature, not a bug

 

[indyjs]

?The Ideas Made It, But I Didn?t? - POLITICO Magazine

In case you missed it

 

[NKBJ]

And normal everyday Chinese people agree to sending professionals to the rice paddies in the cultural revolution.
Think we're any different from them? No, you're not unless you stand up and scream hell no they are our people.
That's all that counts, that you are not timid.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Indiucky was right, you do have hillbilly cred!

My first thought was something different.

On a related note, an early pic of BBI's cabin. (he's gonna kick my butt next month)

 

[churchmouse]

What I wonder is why the hell does the generation that RAISED X and Y, and who TAPPED Social Security, who has LEAD the country into the worst economic condition seen since the late 1920's, and who has DECIDED THEMSELVES how much to pay their fellow Baby Boomer's kids to work for them...

...complain so much about how terribly these kids are doing?

We outnumber you at this point, so get over it. You LITERALLY had your chance to run the country, and we may be reeling from the economic impact from now until the end of the Union.

If you have Social Security to live on, it will be on OUR backs, not YOURS as it was meant to be.


And though it is certainly not a forgone conclusion that it is even POSSIBLE:

If this country recovers, it will not be by your doing.

-Nate

OK Nate. So during I and my spouses 50 years of working our butt's off and paying into the system to support your Gramps and gramma and possiblly your parents and now its my turn to collect......so what. It might be your turn to pay.
I had nothing to do with the fiscal irresponsibility's of the Gov. I voted the best I could so beyond that I was hamstrung. No time to march or rebel.
Yes we are collecting the benefits we paid in.