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  • CindyE

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    Saw reddit freaking out and having an aneurysm about this.

    Indianapolis had over 200 murders last year and an untold amount of other violent crime... Statistically, these guys aren't a problem. Not sure why everyone is up in arms over some political larpers and acting as if they are making Indianapolis unsafe to be in.

    The ones that aren't feds may hold some questionable world views but they're not making it unsafe to go outside after dark or killing people over silly disputes and drug beefs.
    was it the r/indiana sub? i don't know why i even look there. so full of hate toward anyone not left, and misinformation. train wreck...lol.
     

    Cameramonkey

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    No matter what the “cause” is, you have a right to assemble and march peacefully.
    It’s funny to watch both city and state officials tossing the hot potato back and forth to appease the masses.
    Yeah, unless they want to march down the middle of the street and close streets or parks in a way that excludes others from using them, there is no need for a permit.

    I mean have you SEEN how today's yutes act when in large groups? They do what these clowns did... walk down the sidewalk and cause traffic to stop because they decided to cross the street on their terms, not what the lights say.

    Too many people are quick to demand that people shut up or ask for permission to speak out like this just because they disagree with the message. If you need a permit just to walk down the street as a group or stand in a park and yell, then you don't really have free speech.
     

    Cameramonkey

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    Yeah, that and /r/indianapolis but it also made the front page of /r/news, too.
    I have found that Reddit and other sites like slashdot and Fark are mostly insufferably fascist liberals. And I mean the term literally. As in "STFU and get out of here. You dont have the right to that opinion. This isnt a place for you to speak out. Oh and you should die for daring to have that opinion."

    10 years ago I loved reading the comments on FARK and slashdot. Today I know to not even bother clicking the comments section because its nauseating.
     

    HoughMade

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    Is this their website or isn't it? Their own statements seem to be the best place to find out information about what they believe.


    If it is, well, a couple fun quotes:

    "From the varied nations and cultures of Europe a new nation was forged in the flames of conquest. E Pluribus Unum was the new creed that bound our people together with their pan-European identity as Americans. To be an American is to be a descendant of conquerors, pioneers, visionaries, and explorers. This unique identity was given to us by our ancestors, and this national spirit remains firmly rooted in our blood."

    "Those of foreign birth may occupy civil status within the lands occupied by the state, and they may even be dutiful citizens, yet they may not be American. Membership within the American nation is inherited through blood, not ink. Even those born in America may yet be foreign. Nationhood cannot be bestowed upon those who are not of the founding stock of our people, and those who do not share the common spirit that permeates our greater civilization, and the European diaspora."

    "Our people, born to this nation of our European race, must reforge themselves as a new collective capable of asserting our right to cultural independence."

    You can decide for yourselves whether this is "white nationalism" or not. I've come to a conclusion.

    Many of their statements are fascist/socialist and not conservative as we would view conservatism, though ultra right-wing. There was another movement that used similar language in the last century.


    "Representation: The faithful of the nation will foster a social, moral, and civilizational health, which will allow the people to prosper alongside the guidance of a representative State that ensures an existence for them and their posterity. No placement of the private interest above that of the common good will stand unopposed as the barriers impeding the nation’s will are overcome. Sovereignty will be pursued with the securing of the American homeland against the invasion of foreign nations and interests. The VICTORY of the American Spirit, upheld by a sovereign and legitimate State, will be complete."

    "Individualism, while originally good in concept and proposition, has been allowed to run rampant in our modern society, where it has become a plague in its amplification. The nation of the future will not abolish the individual, nor will it ruthlessly enforce a sole collective, but the merits of both must be structured to complement one another.

    Every man exists as a member of several collectives, and of these collectives a select few identities have strategically been stripped from our people’s sense of self. You are a member of a family, a community, a nation, and a race beyond that."

    "However, it must be noted that you exist as an individual, but you do so in accordance with your family, community, nation, and race. You must never exist in spite of them. To see yourself solely as an individual is misguided and lacks an ethical basis. Your actions are not your own in the sense that they almost always affect someone other than yourself. For better or worse, the decisions you make have ripples and echoes that radiate out through the variety of collectives to which you belong."

    ----so now that I've spent enough time on that website to be on several watch lists....

    If the feds are in and through them....good.
     
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    Lebowski

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    I have found that Reddit and other sites like slashdot and Fark are mostly insufferably fascist liberals. And I mean the term literally. As in "STFU and get out of here. You dont have the right to that opinion. This isnt a place for you to speak out. Oh and you should die for daring to have that opinion."

    10 years ago I loved reading the comments on FARK and slashdot. Today I know to not even bother clicking the comments section because its nauseating.

    Reddit was awesome 10 years ago, back when you could support Ron Paul without being called a nazi and you weren't permanently banned from subreddits for having the audacity to disagree, cordially, with the discussion taking place in the comments. Like most of big tech's communication platforms, it's turned to complete **** and is now heavily manipulated for particular interests.

    Like, you can get banned on reddit for saying, "You know, I don't think men can get pregnant." or "Maybe we shouldn't be giving hormone altering chemicals to children". Nowadays, you do that, and you're labeled a xenophobic MAGA bigot who needs to die.

    Venture into the more hobby specific and less generelized subreddits and you can still find sane people... But if you find yourself in the main subs, best not have an opinion of your own.

    Big tech is cancer, and my career is in a related field. Mindless (literally) agreeing with the status quo and regurgitating talking points that a young developing mind sees parroted and heavily 'upvoted' (which can be manipulated) to push an agenda is what we mostly observe nowadays.

    But anyway, that's a discussion for a different day.
     

    jwamplerusa

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    Is this their website or isn't it? Their own statements seem to be the best place to find out information about what they believe.


    If it is, well, a couple fun quotes:

    "From the varied nations and cultures of Europe a new nation was forged in the flames of conquest. E Pluribus Unum was the new creed that bound our people together with their pan-European identity as Americans. To be an American is to be a descendant of conquerors, pioneers, visionaries, and explorers. This unique identity was given to us by our ancestors, and this national spirit remains firmly rooted in our blood."

    "Those of foreign birth may occupy civil status within the lands occupied by the state, and they may even be dutiful citizens, yet they may not be American. Membership within the American nation is inherited through blood, not ink. Even those born in America may yet be foreign. Nationhood cannot be bestowed upon those who are not of the founding stock of our people, and those who do not share the common spirit that permeates our greater civilization, and the European diaspora."

    "Our people, born to this nation of our European race, must reforge themselves as a new collective capable of asserting our right to cultural independence."

    You can decide for yourselves whether this is "white nationalism" or not. I've come to a conclusion.

    Many of their statements are fascist/socialist and not conservative as we would view conservatism, though ultra right-wing. There was another movement that used similar language in the last century.


    "Representation: The faithful of the nation will foster a social, moral, and civilizational health, which will allow the people to prosper alongside the guidance of a representative State that ensures an existence for them and their posterity. No placement of the private interest above that of the common good will stand unopposed as the barriers impeding the nation’s will are overcome. Sovereignty will be pursued with the securing of the American homeland against the invasion of foreign nations and interests. The VICTORY of the American Spirit, upheld by a sovereign and legitimate State, will be complete."

    "Individualism, while originally good in concept and proposition, has been allowed to run rampant in our modern society, where it has become a plague in its amplification. The nation of the future will not abolish the individual, nor will it ruthlessly enforce a sole collective, but the merits of both must be structured to complement one another.

    Every man exists as a member of several collectives, and of these collectives a select few identities have strategically been stripped from our people’s sense of self. You are a member of a family, a community, a nation, and a race beyond that."

    "However, it must be noted that you exist as an individual, but you do so in accordance with your family, community, nation, and race. You must never exist in spite of them. To see yourself solely as an individual is misguided and lacks an ethical basis. Your actions are not your own in the sense that they almost always affect someone other than yourself. For better or worse, the decisions you make have ripples and echoes that radiate out through the variety of collectives to which you belong."

    ----so now that I've spent enough time on that website to be on several watch lists....

    If the feds are in and through them....good.
    Thanks. I hadn't gotten around to looking them up.
     

    GodFearinGunTotin

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    Is this their website or isn't it? Their own statements seem to be the best place to find out information about what they believe.


    If it is, well, a couple fun quotes:

    "From the varied nations and cultures of Europe a new nation was forged in the flames of conquest. E Pluribus Unum was the new creed that bound our people together with their pan-European identity as Americans. To be an American is to be a descendant of conquerors, pioneers, visionaries, and explorers. This unique identity was given to us by our ancestors, and this national spirit remains firmly rooted in our blood."

    "Those of foreign birth may occupy civil status within the lands occupied by the state, and they may even be dutiful citizens, yet they may not be American. Membership within the American nation is inherited through blood, not ink. Even those born in America may yet be foreign. Nationhood cannot be bestowed upon those who are not of the founding stock of our people, and those who do not share the common spirit that permeates our greater civilization, and the European diaspora."

    "Our people, born to this nation of our European race, must reforge themselves as a new collective capable of asserting our right to cultural independence."

    You can decide for yourselves whether this is "white nationalism" or not. I've come to a conclusion.

    Many of their statements are fascist/socialist and not conservative as we would view conservatism, though ultra right-wing. There was another movement that used similar language in the last century.


    "Representation: The faithful of the nation will foster a social, moral, and civilizational health, which will allow the people to prosper alongside the guidance of a representative State that ensures an existence for them and their posterity. No placement of the private interest above that of the common good will stand unopposed as the barriers impeding the nation’s will are overcome. Sovereignty will be pursued with the securing of the American homeland against the invasion of foreign nations and interests. The VICTORY of the American Spirit, upheld by a sovereign and legitimate State, will be complete."

    "Individualism, while originally good in concept and proposition, has been allowed to run rampant in our modern society, where it has become a plague in its amplification. The nation of the future will not abolish the individual, nor will it ruthlessly enforce a sole collective, but the merits of both must be structured to complement one another.

    Every man exists as a member of several collectives, and of these collectives a select few identities have strategically been stripped from our people’s sense of self. You are a member of a family, a community, a nation, and a race beyond that."

    "However, it must be noted that you exist as an individual, but you do so in accordance with your family, community, nation, and race. You must never exist in spite of them. To see yourself solely as an individual is misguided and lacks an ethical basis. Your actions are not your own in the sense that they almost always affect someone other than yourself. For better or worse, the decisions you make have ripples and echoes that radiate out through the variety of collectives to which you belong."

    ----so now that I've spent enough time on that website to be on several watch lists....

    If the feds are in and through them....good.
    Ugh. I didn't know anything about these people. Now, I think I know enough.
     

    BigRed

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    PF is a group that pretends to stand for actual conservatism.

    However they just dress up and look pretty for cameras. They never take legal action or do anything to remotely inconvenience the federal government.

    Which leads me to believe they're a fed plant.


    I saw a presser on the tell a vision news the other day. mayor hog**** said they have no place in indianapolis.

    I guess to be tolerated by hog**** they will need to burn, loot, and murder.
     

    Mij

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    Saw them on fox 59 last night just a bunch o guys in kakies and polos, didn’t cause any harm, they wore bandannas on there faces, hog**** didn’t look pleased.
     

    thompal

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    If the feds are in and through them....good.

    I still don't believe that the feds are in them. I think the feds ARE them.

    Think about it, if you go to any group online, whether that group is fascists, racists, communists, or gun owners, and say you want volunteers to stage a protest, what are the odds that the only people who will volunteer are between 25-35 years old, EXTREMELY fit, clean shaven, with government-issue haircuts? Not one single shaggy basement dweller. Not one pot belly. Not one flabby 55 year old.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    Is this their website or isn't it? Their own statements seem to be the best place to find out information about what they believe.


    If it is, well, a couple fun quotes:

    "From the varied nations and cultures of Europe a new nation was forged in the flames of conquest. E Pluribus Unum was the new creed that bound our people together with their pan-European identity as Americans. To be an American is to be a descendant of conquerors, pioneers, visionaries, and explorers. This unique identity was given to us by our ancestors, and this national spirit remains firmly rooted in our blood."

    "Those of foreign birth may occupy civil status within the lands occupied by the state, and they may even be dutiful citizens, yet they may not be American. Membership within the American nation is inherited through blood, not ink. Even those born in America may yet be foreign. Nationhood cannot be bestowed upon those who are not of the founding stock of our people, and those who do not share the common spirit that permeates our greater civilization, and the European diaspora."

    "Our people, born to this nation of our European race, must reforge themselves as a new collective capable of asserting our right to cultural independence."

    You can decide for yourselves whether this is "white nationalism" or not. I've come to a conclusion.

    Many of their statements are fascist/socialist and not conservative as we would view conservatism, though ultra right-wing. There was another movement that used similar language in the last century.


    "Representation: The faithful of the nation will foster a social, moral, and civilizational health, which will allow the people to prosper alongside the guidance of a representative State that ensures an existence for them and their posterity. No placement of the private interest above that of the common good will stand unopposed as the barriers impeding the nation’s will are overcome. Sovereignty will be pursued with the securing of the American homeland against the invasion of foreign nations and interests. The VICTORY of the American Spirit, upheld by a sovereign and legitimate State, will be complete."

    "Individualism, while originally good in concept and proposition, has been allowed to run rampant in our modern society, where it has become a plague in its amplification. The nation of the future will not abolish the individual, nor will it ruthlessly enforce a sole collective, but the merits of both must be structured to complement one another.

    Every man exists as a member of several collectives, and of these collectives a select few identities have strategically been stripped from our people’s sense of self. You are a member of a family, a community, a nation, and a race beyond that."

    "However, it must be noted that you exist as an individual, but you do so in accordance with your family, community, nation, and race. You must never exist in spite of them. To see yourself solely as an individual is misguided and lacks an ethical basis. Your actions are not your own in the sense that they almost always affect someone other than yourself. For better or worse, the decisions you make have ripples and echoes that radiate out through the variety of collectives to which you belong."

    ----so now that I've spent enough time on that website to be on several watch lists....

    If the feds are in and through them....good.
    I believe this a link to their old website, their manifesto is slightly different along with the web address. If you want to see it take out the space in the address before .org. And I've made up my mind as well. IMO white nationalists/supremacists or a Fed operation, could be either or both.
    https://bloodandsoil. org/manifesto/

    I still don't believe that the feds are in them. I think the feds ARE them.

    Think about it, if you go to any group online, whether that group is fascists, racists, communists, or gun owners, and say you want volunteers to stage a protest, what are the odds that the only people who will volunteer are between 25-35 years old, EXTREMELY fit, clean shaven, with government-issue haircuts? Not one single shaggy basement dweller. Not one pot belly. Not one flabby 55 year old.
    I think it could be either, from what I understand they target their recruitment towards exactly the group you described and are selective on membership. I could definetly see it as a fed started and ran group to recruit white nationalist to put them on a list and watch them.
     

    Mij

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    “I think it could be either, from what I understand they target their recruitment towards exactly the group you described and are selective on membership. I could definetly see it as a fed started and ran group to recruit white nationalist to put them on a list and watch them.”


    Guess that leaves me out, don’t want anything to do with a group that has a “manifesto“

    Mine was written a few years back,1787, and signed by a bunch of old guys in wigs in Philadelphia IIRC.
     

    HoughMade

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    I believe this a link to their old website, their manifesto is slightly different along with the web address. If you want to see it take out the space in the address before .org. And I've made up my mind as well. IMO white nationalists/supremacists or a Fed operation, could be either or both.
    https://bloodandsoil. org/manifesto/
    That redirects me to the website I posted.

    I have no doubt that the feds have infiltrated.

    I have my reasons for believing that the whole organization is not a fed operation.
     
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