Penalty for violating "Oath of Office"

[MTC]

Wanted to say thanks to all posters in this thread for taking the time to articulate existing thought patterns.
Something from the past kept echoing...

...Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed...

 

[dross]

I apologize if I got personal; I just felt condescended by the tone of your writing, and your choice of words.

Well, you were probably right in your perception. My own innate sense of superiority often shines through my skilled attempts to appear humble.

No harm, no foul.

 

[CarmelHP]

But again, please note, I specifially stated prior to this that I do not advocate non-governmental goon squad solutions to this problem. You and others extrapolated this conversation out to an extreme position that nobody advocated that I can recall. I can't help but wonder why.

Nobody advocated? I saw the wish to remove all legal protections now in place and inflict extreme and permanent punishment on any that offended the "Constitutional' sense of our current self-righteous. If you didn't see it, you read a different thread. I get rapidly tired of the chest-thumping bloodthirsty,"I'm gonna take them out, what ya gonna do, punk?" dog and pony show threads. Grow the hell up. You'll do no such thing. You're all hot air. I'm been in fights where the ramble rousers rapidly melt away at the first sign of push-back and leave you standing there to fight alone, so spare me the indignation. In 1985, you would have been called crazy if you suggested that in 2010 we would have guns and be able to carry them around in most states. It was that bleak, and the work seemed insurmountable. 25 years later, the gun issue is practically a sacred cow with the most leftist administration in history afraid to touch it. That was 25 years of hard work, of lawyers bringing cases, of the NRA leaning on legislators, and of dedicated laymen doing the footwork and contributing money. But, it's taken for granted now, as a given, as if no blood, sweat and tears went into it. Those same people now jawing on the Internet have never done any of it, but want us who were there to believe that they are going to take on the task of winning through force, a vastly harder enterprise. Talk is cheap, absolute nonsense.

 

[Duncan]

Hi guys and girls;

I would like to know if there is a penalty for violating the oath of office concerning the "Constitutional Oath of Office" in particular? My guess is that there is not, otherwise there wouldn't be so many politicians doing it. I think I would like to see a very stiff penalty for doing so, say "The death penalty", no no that would never get passed I guess. How about 10 years confinement in a Federal prison or something like that or maybe deportation to the country of choice? I don't know what would be appropreiate or acceptable to the masses but something needs to be done before we loose the "Constitution" altogether. I'm getting sick and tired of politicians getting voted in, taking the "Oath of Office" and then turn right around and violate that very oath. What say ye?

10mm, when you care enough to send the very best.

Dear Jesus ... don't get me started ... INGO will censor me again ...
Washington said that if public servants / politicians would ever betray the rights of the people then the whole weight of the nations should come down upon them ... you draw from that what you will . I have and I agree .
Thanks
Duncan

There is a reason why you should separate military and the police.
One fights the enemy of the State.
The other serves to protect the people.
When the military becomes both.
Then the enemies of the State tend to become the people.

Commander William Adama

{ played by : Edward J. Olmos }

 

[jbombelli]

Nobody advocated? I saw the wish to remove all legal protections now in place and inflict extreme and permanent punishment on any that offended the "Constitutional' sense of our current self-righteous. If you didn't see it, you read a different thread. I get rapidly tired of the chest-thumping bloodthirsty,"I'm gonna take them out, what ya gonna do, punk?" dog and pony show threads. Grow the hell up. You'll do no such thing. You're all hot air. I'm been in fights where the ramble rousers rapidly melt away at the first sign of push-back and leave you standing there to fight alone, so spare me the indignation. In 1985, you would have been called crazy if you suggested that in 2010 we would have guns and be able to carry them around in most states. It was that bleak, and the work seemed insurmountable. 25 years later, the gun issue is practically a sacred cow with the most leftist administration in history afraid to touch it. That was 25 years of hard work, of lawyers bringing cases, of the NRA leaning on legislators, and of dedicated laymen doing the footwork and contributing money. But, it's taken for granted now, as a given, as if no blood, sweat and tears went into it. Those same people now jawing on the Internet have never done any of it, but want us who were there to believe that they are going to take on the task of winning through force, a vastly harder enterprise. Talk is cheap, absolute nonsense.

You're telling ME to grow the hell up? I'm just full of hot air? I've never done any of it? You're tired of these threads?

Listen, boy, I've been fighting certain laws within the system for 25 years. I've been there contributing money, time and efforts since 1986 and the Hughes Amendment.

I'm all hot air? I won't fight when the time comes? I suggest reading up on "psychological projection." "You don't know me. You don't know anything about me. I've been shot at twice already in my life. I've been stabbed. I already know I'm a stand-up guy. You ever charge a man firing rounds at your head so you can brain him with a blackjack? I thought not.

You don't like these threads? Don't read them. Talk is cheap nonsense? Then maybe you should STFU.

 

[CarmelHP]

You're telling ME to grow the hell up? I'm just full of hot air? I've never done any of it? You're tired of these threads?

Listen, boy, I've been fighting certain laws within the system for 25 years. I've been there contributing money, time and efforts since 1986 and the Hughes Amendment.

I'm all hot air? I won't fight when the time comes? I suggest reading up on "psychological projection." "You don't know me. You don't know anything about me. I've been shot at twice already in my life. I've been stabbed. I already know I'm a stand-up guy. You ever charge a man firing rounds at your head so you can brain him with a blackjack? I thought not.

You don't like these threads? Don't read them. Talk is cheap nonsense? Then maybe you should STFU.

Oh, boo-hooooooooooo, ranting thumping your chest on the Internet and comparing scars. What childishness.

 

[CarmelHP]

Washington was president of the convention that wrote the Constitution that specified treason shall consist ONLY of making war against the United States, or adhering to its enemies during wartime. The reason it was "ONLY" was to prevent every policy dispute from being turned, by various factions, into treason trials. The very same nonsense being advocated here. Washington led the expedition to hang the instigators of the Whiskey Rebellion. Their fellow citizens raced to sign up with him to put down the rebellion, he had to turn volunteers away. I think you might find Washington not on your side here.

Dear Jesus ... don't get me started ... INGO will censor me again ...
Washington said that if public servants / politicians would ever betray the rights of the people then the whole weight of the nations should come down upon them ... you draw from that what you will . I have and I agree .
Thanks
Duncan

There is a reason why you should separate military and the police.
One fights the enemy of the State.
The other serves to protect the people.
When the military becomes both.
Then the enemies of the State tend to become the people.

Commander William Adama

{ played by : Edward J. Olmos }

 

[jbombelli]

Oh, boo-hooooooooooo, ranting thumping your chest on the Internet and comparing scars. What childishness.

<Yawn>

You're the one crying "boo hoo I'm sick of these threads and comments."

Obviously you're not. Instead of doing the mature thing and ignoring these threads and comments that make you so angry, you whine and cry, stamp your little feet, and condescend and insult people you've never met. You'd certainly never be that rude and condescending in person. The anonymity of a computer screen sure gives you a big mouth.

Grow up.

 

[CarmelHP]

<Yawn>

You're the one crying "boo hoo I'm sick of these threads and comments."

Yep, I'm sick of jackanapes making all gun owners look like chest-thumping, bloodthirsty fools.

Obviously you're not. Instead of doing the mature thing and ignoring these threads and comments that make you so angry, you whine and cry, stamp your little feet, and condescend and insult people you've never met. You'd certainly never be that rude and condescending in person. The anonymity of a computer screen sure gives you a big mouth.

And next you're going to start sending me missives by PM telling me how big a man you are, and what you're going to do. That's usually how the chest thumpers end up. Keyboard commandos, heal thyself! Or, are you going to launch into more dime-store psychobabble?

Grow up.

That was original. This, from the tall tale teller of how you slew the giant.
Oh please.

 

[jbombelli]

Yep, I'm sick of jackanapes making all gun owners look like chest-thumping, bloodthirsty fools.



And next you're going to start sending me missives by PM telling me how big a man you are, and what you're going to do. That's usually how the chest thumpers end up. Keyboard commandos, heal thyself! Or, are you going to launch into more dime-store psychobabble?



That was original. This, from the tall tale teller of how you slew the giant.
Oh please.

Yup. More condescending insults. I expect nothing more from the likes of you.

You're not worth any more of my time. Be off with you.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Children.....
Don't make me pull this thread over.

The question is whether there should be a penalty for the violation of one's oath of office. Let's please stick to that rather than enter into a urinating-for-distance contest.

I would support such a penalty. Perhaps it could be a recall election or maybe that any of the three branches of government could address the question, rather than only the House being able to impeach and only the Senate being able to try the case. Under that system, if the Speaker of the House, who determines what will and will not appear on the agenda, chooses to protect someone, that person has been placed above the law, as is the Speaker him- or herself. While I hold no illusions that a Republican (or even, dare I suggest it, Libertarian) Speaker would address impeachment of Barry Hussein, it is clear that Pelosi will never allow the question to come to the floor of the House.

Does anyone else have a thought as to what kind of penalty could be forthcoming against such people as those we obviously cannot trust in positions of power? After all, if they can't even keep a promise to God, why should they bother trying to do so to mere mortals?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Summary Courts-Martial?

 

[Eddie]

I think it is a good idea in principle but as CarmelHP points out it would be prone to abuse. How would we enforce the oath of office without opening the door to a flood of frivilous claims filed by party opponents?

 

[Bill of Rights]

Allow for the President AND a majority of the Supreme Court to introduce a motion for impeachment of someone the Speaker refuses to sanction. Our branches of government are supposed to check and balance each other-this would be a way to further their checks and balances on each other. Admittedly, this might cause an issue with the Chief Justice being the judge to hear the case, but I think no more so than a judge issuing a search warrant for a property and that same judge hearing the case once it comes to trial.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[jbombelli]

If there's no punishment for violating an oath, what's the point in even having it at all?

 

[dross]

If there's no punishment for violating an oath, what's the point in even having it at all?

Give an example of what you mean and let's take it through it's paces. Choose something that someone has done in violation of their oath and suggest a penalty. Let's break it down.

 

[Security122]

Violation of an oath of office should at least result in removal from the office. By the way, Dwight is my favorite character on The Office. I'd be ok with the pervert guy being removed.

 

[Eddie]

Give an example of what you mean and let's take it through it's paces. Choose something that someone has done in violation of their oath and suggest a penalty. Let's break it down.

I'll throw out a few things that I have seen over the years. Are any of these serious enough to fit the bill:

-A city clerk/treasurer was elected to office but refused to come in and work, she left her office locked and would not allow anyone else to go inside

-county commissioners got a loan to buy equiptment, by law the county council is supposed to be the body that takes out loans

-a large amount of glass was broken at a construction project, city mayor sent the city fire department to use hoses to help clean up on private property

-sheriff's department took cars out of state to work a private security job

-appointed official used office computer to look at porn

-appointed official lied about where an accident took place in order to make a workmen's comp claim

Each of these was handled in a different way. Some people got charged criminally, some stepped down under public pressure, some had to pay back money and others doggedly hung on to the next election. They all got resolved in the end.

 

[dross]

C'mon, someone give me an example of someone violating their oath of office.

Edit: Posted just as Eddie replied.

 

[dross]

I'll throw out a few things that I have seen over the years. Are any of these serious enough to fit the bill:

-A city clerk/treasurer was elected to office but refused to come in and work, she left her office locked and would not allow anyone else to go inside

-county commissioners got a loan to buy equiptment, by law the county council is supposed to be the body that takes out loans

-a large amount of glass was broken at a construction project, city mayor sent the city fire department to use hoses to help clean up on private property

-sheriff's department took cars out of state to work a private security job

-appointed official used office computer to look at porn

-appointed official lied about where an accident took place in order to make a workmen's comp claim

Each of these was handled in a different way. Some people got charged criminally, some stepped down under public pressure, some had to pay back money and others doggedly hung on to the next election. They all got resolved in the end.

Okay, these all involve misconduct. I think the folks all fired up here are talking about things like passing laws they think are unconstitutional and such.