Pistol 209 (Defensive Pistol) – One Day (Seelyville, IN) - November 18, 2023

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  • diveski11

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    Pistol 209 (Defensive Pistol)

    Overview
    Prerequisites: Suggested—Revere’s Riders Pistol 145 or similar. This is not an introductory course and participants are expected to be capable of the following:
    • handling their firearm in a safe manner
    • keeping shots within a 6″ square from approximately 7 yards
    Estimated Ammunition Required: About 500 rounds/day.

    Pistol Requirements: Pistols should be of a modern, drop safe design.

    Older single action pistols manufactured before the 1980s and lacking a transfer bar safety are the most common type of pistol that lack drop safe design features, as do some military surplus imports from Eastern bloc countries and Taurus PT-series pistols not fixed during an international safety recall in 2015. These pistols may discharge if dropped and pose a potential safety hazard to our volunteers and students, and are not permitted. If you have concerns about the safety features of your pistol you should have it inspected by an armorer or gunsmith before class.

    The following are a good set of guidelines for an appropriate pistol for this event:
    • bring the pistol you intend to use for concealed carry; leave the brand new pistol you bought the day before the event at home
    • a medium-frame pistol is often ideal for concealed carry (e.g., Glock 19 or similar); smaller pistols are difficult to shoot accurately and larger pistols are uncomfortable to carry all day long
    • make sure your pistol is in good working order; if in doubt, have it checked by a qualified gunsmith or armorer. A pistol that malfunctions constantly will get you plenty of practice addressing malfunctions but not much practice with the drills
    If you have any questions concerning the suitability of your pistol for this course, please contact the Event Director.

    Required Equipment: Please review our suggestions on appropriate Pistol 145 equipment and plan to bring the following:
    • magazines or speed loaders: bring at least THREE (more is better, especially if you are using a pistol with a capacity of less than 10 rounds)
    • holster: a strong side holster that does not collapse when your pistol is drawn (no appendix, ankle, shoulder or small-of-back holsters). Either IWB (“inside the waistband”) or OWB (“outside the waistband”) are fine, but the holster you intend to use for concealed carry would be preferred. An OWB holster is often easier to use if you have never drawn from a holster before but will still allow you to participate fully in the drills we will conduct. The crucial aspect is that your holster MUST hold your firearm securely without letting it move around on your hip; this will necessitate a holster that attaches at TWO POINTS to your gun belt; there are a few holsters that attach to your gun belt at one point and still hold your firearm securely, but they generally attach over an extended length of your belt effectively simulating two points of attachment.
    • gun belt: you will have your pistol on your hip for the entire day. It will seem heavier as the day goes on and a good, sturdy gun belt will minimize that feeling. A standard belt isn’t going to cut it here; spend a couple of dollars on a quality gun belt if you don’t already have one.
    • magazine carrier (you can get by with putting spare magazines in a pocket, but a magazine carrier is much preferred)
    • a way to take notes
    • hearing protection
    • eye protection
    • plenty of your preferred method of hydration (both plain water and something to replace electrolytes you will lose via sweating is ideal)
    • clothing appropriate for the weather (loose fitting clothing, especially around the neck, is discouraged as hot brass can lodge against the skin and cause a burn)
     

    nad63

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    This is a great class for anyone that has the basics down and are ready for the next step.
    Do you practice drawing from the holster?
    How proficient are you?
    This class will walk you through, and push your comfort level, for drawing from the holster and movement.
    Many people are proficient at getting good hits but don’t get the ability to draw from the holster and incorporate movement. This class will take you to the next level.
    Lots of drawing from the holster, getting off the ‘X’, practice movement and shooting. If you have never been experienced it then this is the class for you.
    This is one of those classes that you can take multiple times and learn something new or work on perfecting your skills each time.
    Nice range, easy to get to from Indy (about 45 mins - hr out I70 just before Terre Haute).
     

    ratames

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    I took 145 back in March, oh what a day that was!! When we started, the temp had dropped down below 20 degrees. I'm looking forward to taking this class in November.
     

    Brad69

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    I echo what @nad63 stated.

    An added bonus you will spend time with Me yes Me. I will be available for autographs during breaks.

    Honestly this class is a great value @obijohn is a great instructor. I have attended big name classes that I did not learn as much. They were 4x more $$!

    So get off the couch and computer and get some rounds down range.
     

    ratames

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    I took 145 back in March, oh what a day that was!! When we started, the temp had dropped down below 20 degrees. I'm looking forward to taking this class in November.
    Well, shucks. best laid plans and all...

    I just found out that the charity my wife works for has a large fundraising event that day that I was volunteered for. I'll have to catch it next time around.
     

    Brad69

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    Guys and Gals this is a great event!

    Low cost and great results!

    We need your support lots of talk about training on INGO not much action.

    A few rounds of ammo and a good holster and Majic will happen!

    BTW Did I mention I will be at the event that is worth the cost just to hang out with Me.
     

    cosermann

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    AAR: A great group of 12 students turned out for a beautiful fall day on Saturday with a couple coming from as far as 5-6 hours (Ohio). Skill levels ranged from those for which the class material was the next step in their training journey, to seasoned shooters who had been through the material multiple times (always a good review and tuneup).

    Class started out shooting a couple of strings for accuracy to see what we were all capable of cold (since there’s no warmup for a critical incident), and then moved into "up" drills shooting 6x6 boxes on bottle targets (with the occasional head shot thrown in).

    Shooting while moving was covered (forward, retrograde, and laterally) as well as some positional shooting (i.e., urban prone strong & offside, kneeling, and supine). Since most of us spend most of our days sitting, the challenges/issues involved with drawing & shooting while seated were explored (forward, to the rear, left and right). Use of cover was discussed. The Box Drill was used to practice use of cover. By the end of the day, John put everyone through the Figure 8 Drill to put the day's skill set together and added some cognitive load by calling out targets by number, letter, and/or color.

    While not part of the syllabus, I believe there were more malfunctions during the morning of the class than any training which I've previously attended. Some of these could be attributed to a new gun that wasn't yet broken in (known issue with that model), an incompatible handgun/ammo combination, and shooting through old carry ammo. The rest I tend to believe are indicative of a current lowering of QC in a hard-pressed ammunition industry. Couple of lessons learned - get out and test your ammunition/equipment combination, and rotate your carry ammo at least annually as ammo that is carried is subject to wear and tear (i.e., heat/cold, moisture, motion/vibration, repeated chambering, etc.) that stored ammunition is not, and hence degrades at an accelerated rate.

    John's lecture and coaching were up to his usual professional standard, and Joseph was on hand for witty and insightful commentary.

    Encourage everyone to get out there and train with ACT or Revere's Riders. There are things you will not discover until you get out and try it. Shooting in front of your peers is helpful "pressure," as it is watching and learning as you observe other students, and everyone's unique questions are answered.

    Highly recommended.

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    Brad69

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    @cosermann Great write up!

    We had a great group of shooters, and the weather was great.

    The moon must have been in a certain phase to cause as many malfunctions as possible. No junk pistols Gl;;;s and Sigs very strange.

    @obijohn did a great job with a great class.

    So, when you see stuff pop up with Revere Riders jump into the class. You can ask around there is no better value in the shooting arena.

    I was disappointed when nobody asked for selfie with me.
     

    rosejm

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    While not part of the syllabus, I believe there were more malfunctions during the morning of the class than any training which I've previously attended.
    This is a great part of a day at the range. Practice those malfunction clearance drills until they're automatic. :draw:

    I was disappointed when nobody asked for selfie with me.
    A true celebrity has their agent bring glamor shots for the signing. :stickpoke:
    Betcha John had his own...
     

    cedartop

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    Sounds like another good class. :yesway:

    Malfunctions must have been in the air that day. I was four hours north of you at a food drive IDPA like match and had malfunctions with my MC9 for the first time as well as my work buddy having some with his G48. Also both of us had light strikes, but with different ammo.
     
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