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[crispy]

Are there IRS or ATF agents on staff? Otherwise why do I need to show my tax stamp? Only an IRS or ATF agent has the legal backing to require viewing a TAX Stamp. Do others need to show the receipt where they purchased the firearm they are going to shoot? If not why are NFA items being singled out?
(BTW Full-Auto is an NFA item.)

The short answer is "Their place, their rules."

When you go to Hertz or National, why do they want to see your driver's license? After all they're not cops...

Maybe they just want to assure themselves that they are not renting a car to a un-licensed driver? Makes sense. I don't know, I guess I've never considered complaining to an establishment where I'm trying to borrow one of their cars. I suppose I could just go rent a car from a place that doesn't require that I have a license...

 

[DanVoils]

The short answer is "Their place, their rules."

When you go to Hertz or National, why do they want to see your driver's license? After all they're not cops...

Maybe they just want to assure themselves that they are not renting a car to a un-licensed driver? Makes sense. I don't know, I guess I've never considered complaining to an establishment where I'm trying to borrow one of their cars. I suppose I could just go rent a car from a place that doesn't require that I have a license...

There is a difference. I'm not taking their property off site nor am I required by law to have a LTCH to shoot there whereas to drive a vehicle a valid driver's license is required.
I am in full compliance with all the laws. Who is to say that a person who brings in a non-NFA firearm lawfully possesses it? Using your logic every person who rents a lane from your employer (lest we forget who you are shilling for) should show proof of ownership of the firearms they bring in. If they are renting a firearm then they should show a valid LTCH to show they are a proper person according to the issuing state.
I have never been to a range where I must show proof of ownership for any item I'm bringing in.
As you said their place, their rules. I vote with my money and I'll never shoot at point blank as long as they trample on my 2nd amendment rights. Plus you didn't answer my direct question. You only gave a weak metaphor attempting to justify an improper action by a business.

 

[AmericanBob]

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[DanVoils]

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Nope, just presenting an accurate rebuttal to an inane reply.

 

[crispy]

There is no 2nd Amendment right to shoot whatever you want on someone else's property. There just isn't. I'm trying to be nice but I don't know how else to explain it to you.

If you go over to a buddy's house and his wife asks you to take off your shoes, do you argue with her?

How's that for inane?

 

[Roadie]

 

[DanVoils]

There is no 2nd Amendment right to shoot whatever you want on someone else's property. There just isn't. I'm trying to be nice but I don't know how else to explain it to you.

If you go over to a buddy's house and his wife asks you to take off your shoes, do you argue with her?

How's that for inane?

So you're comparing illegally asking for a US Tax Document to taking my shoes off at a friend's house? Yes, that is inane and ludicrous. There is no legal right for Point Blank to demand to see a tax document. Period. It's why I said I will not shoot there. If you want to try and defend the improper actions of your employer I suggest drinking the sugar free Kool-Aid so your blood sugar doesn't go out of whack. I'm amazed you haven't used the "But it's policy" defense. Most people who are brain washed tend to.

 

[DanVoils]

I fully agree. It is humorous to watch sheeple attempt to justify an unfounded idea/reason for a stupid "rule". Especially when it's on behalf of their employer.

 

[level0]

Is it normal to carry a tax stamp around? I don't carry my 1040, life insurance, mortgage, various bills....

 

[churchmouse]

I hear the corn is good in here.

 

[Roadie]

Is it normal to carry a tax stamp around? I don't carry my 1040, life insurance, mortgage, various bills....

If you are carrying an NFA Firearm you BETTER be carrying your Stamp.. same as carrying your LTCH. Sure, you might get away with not having it, but the ensuing hassle is not worth it

 

[level0]

If you are carrying an NFA Firearm you BETTER be carrying your Stamp..

I clearly have none Thanks for the info!

 

[Yamadog35]

I'm not arguing for or against the latest discussion here, but for the record, I shot an SBR today at the Greenwood location and no one asked me for a tax stamp.

 

[AmericanBob]

They probably just want to know that you're legal, plain and simple. Whether or not that's their legal authority doesn't really matter, and it's the subject of an entirely different discussion. It's private property, they can ask whatever they want of the shooters on the line. If you really want to know their reasoning, contact the headquarters.

 

[NHT3]

Pay level often has nothing to do with how employees work. My wife works in a pet store and is paid $9. She is a hard worker and does a great job, even more so than employees who have been with the store longer and make more money. I work in a professional environment and make a lot less than other employees who don't work half as hard as I do. I believe it has a lot more to do with work ethic than how much money you make. If you don't like the low pay, don't work there. If the pay interests you, along with the experiences you'll get there, then it'll be worthwhile. No one is forcing anyone to go work for that level of pay. I also feel that safety issues or the level of what the employees know have more to do with how the company handles training and what management is like, rather than anything to do with what employees are paid. My

I would hope that, part time or full time, experience and knowledge would dictate pay. Wal mart pays $9 an hour to folks that don't need either since it's not a specialized business. It's not so much a matter of pay but if you have one person that has years of experience and certifications VS someone that confuses the muzzle with the breach I would expect the person that has the better qualifications would command a higher salary. This a situation that, unlike Wal-mart or pet food sales, safety and knowledge about safety has to be the first priority. Just as was mentioned earlier, to give the lesser experienced person something to work towards. AND since you are dealing with potentially dangerous situations it just makes sense (at least to me) that you would want experienced people and reward them accordingly. Just my

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[wtburnette]

I would hope that, part time or full time, experience and knowledge would dictate pay. Wal mart pays $9 an hour to folks that don't need either since it's not a specialized business. It's not so much a matter of pay but if you have one person that has years of experience and certifications VS someone that confuses the muzzle with the breach I would expect the person that has the better qualifications would command a higher salary. This a situation that, unlike Wal-mart or pet food sales, safety and knowledge about safety has to be the first priority. Just as was mentioned earlier, to give the lesser experienced person something to work towards. AND since you are dealing with potentially dangerous situations it just makes sense (at least to me) that you would want experienced people and reward them accordingly. Just my

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I don't disagree with that assertion. Of course it makes sense to have more experience people there, to help with the less experienced. I'm not in the know as to what PB is doing, or has done. Usually when I've been to the Carmel location, there are at least a couple older employees who look like they know what they're doing. My assumption is that those employees are either being paid a bit above that $9 mark, or PB is a second job and they were okay working for the $9 wage. I don't know and I'm guessing no one from PB management is going to enlighten us. My point was, while safety incidents can happen and in this case did happen, I don't think pay had a lot to do with it. Reading through this forum, plenty of experienced people have had brain farts and done something unsafe not thinking about it. Sometimes it's resulted in just a story and sometimes an AD or injury. Stuff happens. Yeah, I think if PB employed only older, more experienced people there would be less risk, but I also understand that as a business, they can't afford that. They employ more staff members than most ranges I've been to. When I go in I normally see at least one range officer and 3 - 4 other employees. When they're busy it's even more. While I know a safety incident occurred, I've never seen anything that made me feel unsafe while I was there. Guess I'm lucky. If something does come up while I'm there, I'll have to rethink things, but for now I'll continue to use the range.

 

[red46239]

So you're comparing illegally asking for a US Tax Document to taking my shoes off at a friend's house?

Really, it is illegal for them to ask to see your stamp?

There is no legal right for Point Blank to demand to see a tax document. Period.

And you have no legal right to come onto their property and use their facilities without their permission. Period. If their permission is only granted upon showing them your tax stamp, it is up to you if you want to abide or leave.

Don't get me wrong here, on the face of it, I disagree with the policy (if it actually is one). But disagreeing with someone's policy and claiming that it is illegal for them to have the policy because I/you/we don't like it are two different things.

I have never been to the store, and know nothing about it other than what I've read in this thread, but let me ask you a question: If the policy just required you to show that you had a stamp (i.e. just flash them the actual stamp on the upper right corner of your form(s)), would that be so offensive? You should have your stamp(s) with you anyway and this way you are giving them no 'tax' information. Just curious. Personally, I don't think I would have a problem with that if it gave them piece of mind. I can't see how that would possibly negatively impact me in any way.

 

[DRob]

...........disagreeing with someone's policy and claiming that it is illegal for them to have the policy because I/you/we don't like it are two different things.............................

We visited the store last night. We didn't shoot but were greeted cordially and the the staff was most helpful. The gun prices we saw were in line with if not slightly less than other local stores we've been to. They have some range "specials" we'll be taking advantage of. Nice to meet you hammertime.

As for the above quote, it's what some folks here do. They don't like some policy or law so they claim their "rights" are being violated and they don't have to comply. I think of them as perpetually looking for a reason to be offended!

 

[NHT3]

Their business, their rules.. Just like the Pubs and such that post the "no firearms" signs.. A business can't make rules that override state law but they can ask you to leave and have you arrested for trespassing if you refuse to obey their rules. If their policy is offensive enough for you not to patronize them, then you have that right also. Personally I wouldn't want to dig out my stamp and have my address available as a person that has NFA items for reasons of my own security. I'm sure I could have some cobbled up fake paperwork and since most haven't seen the real thing I doubt if they would know the difference.
I don't understand firearms related businesses going out of their way to harass gun owners but it is their right. My guess would be that someone in "corporate" that isn't really a gun person is making decisions about things where their knowledge is obviously limited.

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[Tactically Fat]

For the record, I was not asked to show my tax stamp on 11/11/15. And I probably would not have if asked.