Pretty soon the nation's LEOs are going to have to make a choice ...

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  • TangoFoxtrot

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    We could win in less than 24 hours if we wanted to. The question is one of will, not ability.

    No man made force on earth could stand against the American public, if sufficiently pissed off and motivated.
    What worries me most is I know a good portion of our own military and LE would turn on us but your right I imagine, USA has never been ever to win in a gorilla or asymetric war which is exactly what they would have on their hands.

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    Tombs

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    What worries me most is I know a good portion of our own military and LE would turn on us but your right I imagine, USA has never been ever to win in a gorilla or asymetric war which is exactly what they would have on their hands.

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    It isn't really that, it's the logistics of it. You can't fight an uprising in a country this big happening everywhere at once. It's legitimately impossible to even prepare for it.

    Where are you going to move your finite troops to? What are you going to try to hold onto? By the time you've even started making plans, the war is already over and you're stuck in a bunker wondering if you'll end up like Saddam or not.

    Just look at the capitol for instance. One moment everything was perfectly fine, and in the blink of an eye random people were mulling around the senate chambers taking selfies.
     

    kickbacked

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    What worries me most is I know a good portion of our own military and LE would turn on us but your right I imagine, USA has never been ever to win in a gorilla or asymetric war which is exactly what they would have on their hands.

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    Gorilla warfare? I didnt see any pushback from them after Harambe.
     

    TangoFoxtrot

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    It isn't really that, it's the logistics of it. You can't fight an uprising in a country this big happening everywhere at once. It's legitimately impossible to even prepare for it.

    Where are you going to move your finite troops to? What are you going to try to hold onto? By the time you've even started making plans, the war is already over and you're stuck in a bunker wondering if you'll end up like Saddam or not.
    Yeah, I just hope to God we don't have to find out.

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    9mmfan

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    If you don’t think that the persons who attacked the Capitol and the officers there isn’t political extremism, then I honestly have to question your ability to identify such, and list examples of “real” political extremism from the past.
    So the Antifa/BLM activavists who burned, looted and murdered people in big cities are not a threat but the ONE time a right leaning crowd (which had Antifa mixed in with them) who walked into the Capital are terrorists.

    In Biden's rambling, dazed 'press conference ' he pushed gun control. And pushed for the end of the filibuster in the Senate.

    So everything is peachy keen I guess.
     

    Tombs

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    So the Antifa/BLM activavists who burned, looted and murdered people in big cities are not a threat but the ONE time a right leaning crowd (which had Antifa mixed in with them) who walked into the Capital are terrorists.

    In Biden's rambling, dazed 'press conference ' he pushed gun control. And pushed for the end of the filibuster in the Senate.

    So everything is peachy keen I guess.
    Never expect a loyalist to support a dissident.

    This is true both directions. The point it becomes dangerous is when it involves forcing people into difficult choices.
     

    Route 45

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    The majority wont be willing to get into a gunfight for the dems agenda so they will refuse or resign, more are pro 2A themselves so they will refuse or resign.
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    There may be a few slow-walking it, and a few early retirements. But folks with $65k+ a year salaries, take home cars and excellent benefits aren't gonna just quit and go work at Amazon for $15 an hour. Somebody's gotta pay the mortgage.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    How about a year of leftist brownshirts burning, looting, and murdering?
    Ok and? Given that this conversation is about LEOs, are you somehow implying that those officers at BLM riots are somehow supportive of their actions, or did you just want to bring that up to derail the substance of what this thread is about?
     

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    "The nation's LEOs" are not going to collectively make a choice. We don't have national police. We have local, county, state, and federal police. Individual agencies are going to make individual policies. Individual officers are going to make individual choices.

    Most cops are local. Less cops are county. Waaay less cops are state, waaaaaaaaaaay less cops are federal. Police under the state level are generally loath to enforce/refer charges under federal law. Officer Bob and Deputy Craig are NOT going to bang on your door in the middle of the night demanding your firearms in the event of a blanket ban.

    Little secret? Cops *already* aren't enforcing various laws, for a myriad of reasons. Stop painting LE with your myopic viewpoint of us vs. them.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    This thread is as stupid as the ones back when Obama was bringing in the UN for door to door confiscation due to the Small Arms Treaty.

    Local and state police can't enforce federal law. It's why we can't arrest illegal aliens for being here illegally, why we can't arrest felons in possession of firearms if they don't also meet the more restrictive state code, etc. Are you going to quit your job? You have as much authority as me to enforce federal law, unless you happen to be a federal LEO. Ok, we all quit in protest. Who does all the stuff local police/sheriffs do? You know, like murders, rapes, robberies? Run the jails? Serve warrants? Respond to your traffic crash? Those problems will just stop, though, right?
     

    Sylvain

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    Wasn't Obama supposed to be the one "coming for your guns"?
    And in eight years all he managed to do was to allow people to bring guns into National Parks.
    Trump was supposed to be pro-gun and he came after bump stocks (and did nothing to try to repeal the NFA).

    So an anti-gun Democrat president did more to advance gun rights in the US than a supposedly pro-gun Republican.:dunno:

    The US is not Australia, you can't ban guns by the stroke of a pen.

    Law enforcement officers are not coming for you guns, and shouldn't be presented as a potential enemy.

    Like their job is not dangerous enough they now have to deal with an ultimatum from gun owners.

    They took an oath to defend the constitution and that include your second amendment rights.

    They are not coming for your guns anytime soon and deserve our support more than ever.
     
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