private gun sales

[cityartisan]

Anyone know what the state/county requirements are when making a private gun transaction or where to find out? The transaction would be in Indianapolis, IN

 

[SEIndSAM]

As long as neither party is a felon and both are Indiana residents, you are good to go.

 

[leftsock]

Requirements:
1. Indiana residency
2. at least 18 years old
3. not a felon

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

None that I'm aware of. So long as the exchange is between two citizens of Indiana, You meet, exchange $ for guns, and all is well. As has been stated many times here... there is NO registration of guns in the state. As such, so long as you are not aware that the person is prohibited from buying guns, you may sell to them. You don't need an FFL or anyone else to "bless" the deal.

Important caveat - if you do a deal between people across state lines - it becomes a whole 'nother kettle of fish. Then ou typically need to get an FFL involved.

 

[cityartisan]

Sounds too easy, but i'm taking you guy's word for it. I did some browsing in the buy/sell/trade forum and there were a couple of cases where the seller asked for the buyer for both ID and LTCH, which i thought was a good idea. I would think the biggest concern would be for ATF records still showing the gun(s) to be owned by person A, no matter who owns the gun from thereon. So person B, buys from A, but then sells to C who gives it to D and it gets lifted by E who then commits a felony with it. The perpetrator is never taken into custody however the gun is recovered and is traced to being owned by A. Where does the buck stop?

 

[cityartisan]

I'm assuming the comeback to this one will be to get a NICS form somehow?

 

[sloughfoot]

Please advise what ATF records show that an individual owns a particular firearm?

 

[phil]

You can have all the 4473's you want but without an FFL, I doubt the FBI will do a check for you...

 

[ATM]

Sounds too easy, but i'm taking you guy's word for it...

It sounds too easy because most people have been conditioned to believe that it needs to be difficult for some reason.

You don't have to take our word for it, you can read the laws if you like.

18 U.S.C. § 922 : US Code - Section 922: Unlawful acts

IC 35-47-2-7 Prohibited sales or transfers of ownership

ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons

 

[cityartisan]

Please advise what ATF records show that an individual owns a particular firearm?

I'm not sure i understand your question but my thinking was that when a firearm is purchased and the 4473 has been filed the record is kept on file by the ATF. Could be that i'm ignorant of this but my question was how to "undo" the record or are you saying there is no record in the first place?

 

[cityartisan]

You can have all the 4473's you want but without an FFL, I doubt the FBI will do a check for you...

So how would you prove that you no longer own the firearm?

 

[cityartisan]

It sounds too easy because most people have been conditioned to believe that it needs to be difficult for some reason.

You don't have to take our word for it, you can read the laws if you like.

18 U.S.C. § 922 : US Code - Section 922: Unlawful acts

IC 35-47-2-7 Prohibited sales or transfers of ownership

ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons

OK Thanks, will read

 

[Bill B]

So how would you prove that you no longer own the firearm?

If you're worried, do a bill of sale.
The 4473 is kept by the FFL until/unless they go out of business, then the bound book is kept and stored by the atf, but there is no database of gun ownership.

 

[sloughfoot]

I'm not sure i understand your question but my thinking was that when a firearm is purchased and the 4473 has been filed the record is kept on file by the ATF. Could be that i'm ignorant of this but my question was how to "undo" the record or are you saying there is no record in the first place?

The other posters answered this question. My thanks to them.

But beyond that, I hope you do not find it acceptable that a government agency is monitoring your ownership of a completely legal product protected by the Constitution of the United States.

"They" can KMA and stuff their regs where the sun does not shine.

Since I have absolutely no Mens Rea, they can go pound sand....