Proof that .22 can kill the biggest of BG's. (Video)

[SHEEPdOHdoubleG]

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This lady was going to be sexually assaulted by one BIG BG and she took matters into her own hands, with a .22 pistol none the less. One shot to the heart, killing the perp. Shot placement always trumps round caliber.

 

[jgreiner]

Doctor friend of my daughter (she is an ER nurse) here in town told me that the one of the worst slugs to get shot with was a .22 LR HP....it penetrates...but then tends to bounce around inside...shredding more tissue and organs than a higher caliber that tends to penetrate on through. The way he explained it, it made some sense.

You may not die as fast...but the chances of you surviving are quite low.

I thought it was an interesting point. And I know a .22 can be deadly. But I am still gonna carry my 9mm

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

You may not die as fast...

There's the rub!

When being attacked, you want the attack to STOP IMMEDIATELY. Not in minutes...hours...days. (having said that, when it comes to stopping things immediately, either hope for a CNS disruption or use a rifle)

-J-

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Shot placement always trumps round caliber.

Unless the bullet bounces off.

(I've had .22s, .25s and .32s bounces off skulls or stop in leather jackets)

 

[ATM]

Yep. If I have to shoot to stop a criminal attack, that's exactly what I want to do - stop the attack.

Stopping the attack trumps killing the criminal. I care not whether they will ultimately bleed out or not.

Of course a .22 can kill, but it's not nearly as effective at stopping attacks as a larger caliber round.
Less energy, less penetration... she's lucky that what she had was enough in this case.

I wouldn't want to count on it in most circumstances since I have better options available.

Unless she just couldn't possibly shoot a larger caliber accurately, shot placement is not a factor.

 

[cosermann]

Unless the bullet bounces off.

(I've had .22s, .25s and .32s bounces off skulls or stop in leather jackets)

^^ This. Even a perfectly placed bullet has to perform it's function once it arrives.

Larger bullets are less likely to bounce off, be deflected, and/or fail to adequately penetrate. It's all about stacking the odds in your favor as much as possible.

Glad it worked out for her. Glad a repeat offender is out of circulation.

 

[Silverado]

Shot placement always trumps round caliber.

No, it doesn't.

When the round strikes the surface of the target, shot placement is over. What the bullet does after penetrating is a factor of bullet mass, velocity, angle, target material, and bullet construction. A small bullet may deflect off of a rib, while a well constructed heavier bullet may break the rib and continue to the vitals. Even for bullets of different calibers that strike a vital organ, bigger bullets create larger wounds that hemorrhage blood more quickly than smaller wounds. The difference may only be 1 second in incapacitation time, but that 1 second may save your life.

While any bullet can kill, that is not the object of self defense. The object of self defense is to incapacitate your opponent, so that he cannot continue his attack. Outside of a direct central nervous system hit (spinal cord or brain), there is no physical reason for a determined person to stop their attack with even multiple handgun round hits, until blood pressure drops to a level that is insufficient to maintain consciousness.

There is less difference in penetration and wounding ability between the handgun service calibers (9mm, .357, .40, .45) than there is between the service calibers and smallbores like the .22 LR and .25 ACP. This is because the service calibers, with modern, well constructed bullets, all have the energy, mass and velocity to penetrate to the vital organs or central nervous system. Smallbore handgun calibers are less consistent in this regard, especially given the short barrels of most pocket guns chambered in these calibers, which reduce their anemic energy and velocities even further, diminishing effectiveness.

Simply put, this lady got lucky. An aggressive human can function and carry out an attack for several seconds, even after suffering a direct gunshot wound to the heart, before he is forced to stop due to unconsciousness. Attackers often do stop for psychological reasons (Oh my God, I've been shot!), but one should not rely on this for effective self defense.

If shot placement truly did reliably trump caliber, carrying anything other than a small .22 would be silly. But such is definitely not the case.

 

[youngda9]

^^ Good post. +1 (Someone rep him, I must share the love)

Placement, Caliber, and Penetration all count. You must have all three factors in sufficient quantity to take down a BG.

 

[youngda9]

Unless the bullet bounces off.

(I've had .22s, .25s and .32s bounces off skulls or stop in leather jackets)

How many people have you shot with derringers ?

 

[printcraft]

How many people have you shot with derringers ?

He charges a severe penalty for not paying his fees in a timely manner.

 

[.452browning]

Good news all around. Kirks info about .22's and other mouse calibers bouncing off is true. Heard a story from a reunion from my grandfathers WW2 company in Lousiville, KY about 5 years ago about something like that. During a battle near Chambois, France in '44 the 90th infantry was trying to close the gap and was in fierce fighting with germans. to make long story short my grandfather carried a small Astra .25 in his pocket. His Garand ran dry of ammo and his 1911 was basically blown from his hand from a mortar round. he pulled his .25 from his pocket and fired a round at near point blank range into a german soldiers head. the german fell instantly. shortly after the battle was over and while sitting gathering their thoughts he saw the german was moving around and still alive. my grandpa pulled him into his hole and saw the bullet struck just below his helmet but did not penetrate his skull. knocked him out cold but not lethal. since the fight was over he called for medic, bandaged his head and gave him a cigarette until he was picked up by the MP's.

 

[jgreiner]

There's the rub!

When being attacked, you want the attack to STOP IMMEDIATELY. Not in minutes...hours...days. (having said that, when it comes to stopping things immediately, either hope for a CNS disruption or use a rifle)

-J-

I agree.......but I still have no desire to be shot with a .22

 

[jgreiner]

Unless the bullet bounces off.

(I've had .22s, .25s and .32s bounces off skulls or stop in leather jackets)

Head shots are never recommended.......unless hunting zombies...then you always double tap.......

 

[UncleMike]

The last two gunshot deaths that I was first at the scene were this;
.357 Mag to the head. Suicide. Brains no longer present in the skull. Subject died instantly.
.22 LR to the back of the head. Murder. No exit wound. Subject died instantly.
Even though the .22 had the same results, I wouldn't want my life to depend on a small caliber projectile doing the same thing every time.
Remember;
"The only thing that will stop a man instantly, every time, is a supersonic phone pole."
Col. Jeff Cooper

 

[cbseniour]

All else said the 22 in your pocket or in this case blouse is a whole lot better than the 45 in you gun cabinet.

 

[paperboy]

If a guy were to get shot in the root and berries with even a a little .22 he will be down for the count!!!!!

 

[45fan]

Good news all around. Kirks info about .22's and other mouse calibers bouncing off is true. Heard a story from a reunion from my grandfathers WW2 company in Lousiville, KY about 5 years ago about something like that. During a battle near Chambois, France in '44 the 90th infantry was trying to close the gap and was in fierce fighting with germans. to make long story short my grandfather carried a small Astra .25 in his pocket. His Garand ran dry of ammo and his 1911 was basically blown from his hand from a mortar round. he pulled his .25 from his pocket and fired a round at near point blank range into a german soldiers head. the german fell instantly. shortly after the battle was over and while sitting gathering their thoughts he saw the german was moving around and still alive. my grandpa pulled him into his hole and saw the bullet struck just below his helmet but did not penetrate his skull. knocked him out cold but not lethal. since the fight was over he called for medic, bandaged his head and gave him a cigarette until he was picked up by the MP's.

There was an incident some time ago where an LEO from my area was shot in the face and body with a small handgun, and radioed in the shooting himself.
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Small handguns might be sufficient in some cases, but I preffer a bit more insurance for me and my family.

 

[BDBHoover]

All else said the 22 in your pocket or in this case blouse is a whole lot better than the 45 in you gun cabinet.

This is why I keep my 45 on my hip

 

[Mosinowner]

Well ya see 357 mag will always get the job done but 22. is a good starter gun. I would carry 22. if i had to though.

 

[finity]

No, it doesn't.

When the round strikes the surface of the target, shot placement is over. What the bullet does after penetrating is a factor of bullet mass, velocity, angle, target material, and bullet construction. A small bullet may deflect off of a rib, while a well constructed heavier bullet may break the rib and continue to the vitals. Even for bullets of different calibers that strike a vital organ, bigger bullets create larger wounds that hemorrhage blood more quickly than smaller wounds. The difference may only be 1 second in incapacitation time, but that 1 second may save your life.

While any bullet can kill, that is not the object of self defense. The object of self defense is to incapacitate your opponent, so that he cannot continue his attack. Outside of a direct central nervous system hit (spinal cord or brain), there is no physical reason for a determined person to stop their attack with even multiple handgun round hits, until blood pressure drops to a level that is insufficient to maintain consciousness.

There is less difference in penetration and wounding ability between the handgun service calibers (9mm, .357, .40, .45) than there is between the service calibers and smallbores like the .22 LR and .25 ACP. This is because the service calibers, with modern, well constructed bullets, all have the energy, mass and velocity to penetrate to the vital organs or central nervous system. Smallbore handgun calibers are less consistent in this regard, especially given the short barrels of most pocket guns chambered in these calibers, which reduce their anemic energy and velocities even further, diminishing effectiveness.

Simply put, this lady got lucky. An aggressive human can function and carry out an attack for several seconds, even after suffering a direct gunshot wound to the heart, before he is forced to stop due to unconsciousness. Attackers often do stop for psychological reasons (Oh my God, I've been shot!), but one should not rely on this for effective self defense.

If shot placement truly did reliably trump caliber, carrying anything other than a small .22 would be silly. But such is definitely not the case.

+1

repped