"..readily be converted.."?

[The Glockantuan]

IC 35-47-1-5
"Firearm"
Sec. 5. "Firearm" means any weapon: (1) that is:
(A) capable of expelling; or
(B) designed to expel; or
(2) that may readily be converted to expel;
a projectile by means of an explosion.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.3-2008, SEC.254.

Take my glock for instance,

I field strip it and put the spring and slide in the trunk, then keep the stock and barrel in the glove box in my car. Would this still be considered "may readily be converted"? I wasn't sure if there were any cases that this kind of thing may have came up.

My primary concern is that I work on a property that does not allow firearms. With an hour commute to work and the closest range midway between work and home, I can't ever make it to the range after work cause it's hour and thirty min before I get to range. I also am aware that the chances of having car searched are slim, but I could see myself getting in a lot of trouble (at least with work).

 

[BiscuitNaBasket]

Hopefully someone else can help you more on the "readily available" part. I don't want to give out false information not based on facts.

What I will say is if it's against the LAW to have a gun in your car at your place of work then you should not risk losing your license

In or On School Property.

• On A School Bus.

• In or On Property That Is Being Used By a School for a School Function.

• Private School (IC 20-9.1-1-3) & (IC 35-41-1-24.7).

• Head Start (IC 35-41-1-24.7

• Preschool (IC 35-41-1-24.7).

IC 35-47-9-1 Allows the carry of firearms by persons permitted to possess and who are transporting a person to or from school or a school function.

• On a Commercial or Charter Aircraft.

• Controlled Access Areas Of An Airport

• During Annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in Vehicle.)

• Shipping Port 130 IAC 4-1-8 (Controlled by the Indiana Port Commission)

• A Riverboat Casino.

Do you have a License To Carry Handgun?

 

[The Glockantuan]

Do you have a License To Carry Handgun?

Yup.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Your employer cannot stop you from keeping a gun in your car unless you fall into one of the above categories. You have the law on your side. I am in and out of places every day that have signage posted even, you know what I tell them? NOTHING, what they don't know won't hurt them. This evening in Cincinnati I made two deliveries to places with signage IN OHIO where the signs carry the weight of law. Now granted, my pistol was kept in the truck and not on my person, but I think that's what we're talking about here.

 

[loki.fish]

In the state of Indiana you're perfectly fine having a handgun in your vehicle at your place of work so long as you have a LTCH and that your vehicle is locked and the gun is out of sight, (glove box, center console, under seat, etc.), unless your car will be parked in one of those areas you're not supposed to be carrying in anyway.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Your employer cannot stop you from keeping a gun in your car unless you fall into one of the above categories. You have the law on your side. I am in and out of places every day that have signage posted even, you know what I tell them? NOTHING, what they don't know won't hurt them. This evening in Cincinnati I made two deliveries to places with signage IN OHIO where the signs carry the weight of law. Now granted, my pistol was kept in the truck and not on my person, but I think that's what we're talking about here.

In the state of Indiana you're perfectly fine having a handgun in your vehicle at your place of work so long as you have a LTCH and that your vehicle is locked and the gun is out of sight, (glove box, center console, under seat, etc.), unless your car will be parked in one of those areas you're not supposed to be carrying in anyway.

The above is true to a point, HEA 1065 specifically spells out in the code below what employer job site restrictions that you may not carry a weapon onto the parking lot.

As long as you do not work at any of the places listed below you may not fear about having your firearm in your vehicle.


IC 34-28-7-2
Regulation of employees' firearms and ammunition by employers
Sec. 2. (a) Notwithstanding any other law and except as provided in subsection (b), a person may not adopt or enforce an ordinance, a resolution, a policy, or a rule that:
(1) prohibits; or
(2) has the effect of prohibiting;
an employee of the person, including a contract employee, from possessing a firearm or ammunition that is locked in the trunk of the employee's vehicle, kept in the glove compartment of the employee's locked vehicle, or stored out of plain sight in the employee's locked vehicle.
(b) Subsection (a) does not prohibit the adoption or enforcement of an ordinance, a resolution, a policy, or a rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting an employee of the person, including a contract employee, from possessing a firearm or ammunition:
(1) in or on school property, in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function, or on a school bus in violation of IC 20-33-8-16 or IC 35-47-9-2;
(2) on the property of:
(A) a child caring institution;
(B) an emergency shelter care child caring institution;
(C) a private secure facility;
(D) a group home;
(E) an emergency shelter care group home; or
(F) a child care center;
in violation of 465 IAC 2-9-80, 465 IAC 2-10-79, 465 IAC 2-11-80, 465 IAC 2-12-78, 465 IAC 2-13-77, or 470 IAC 3-4.7-19;
(3) on the property of a penal facility (as defined in IC 35-41-1-21);
(4) in violation of federal law;
(5) in or on property belonging to an approved postsecondary educational institution (as defined in IC 21-7-13-6(b));
(6) on the property of a domestic violence shelter;
(7) at a person's residence;
(8) on the property of a person that is:
(A) subject to the United States Department of Homeland Security's Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards issued April 9, 2007; and
(B) licensed by the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission under Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations;
(9) on property owned by:
(A) a public utility (as defined in IC 8-1-2-1) that generates and transmits electric power; or
(B) a department of public utilities created under IC 8-1-11.1; or
(10) in the employee's personal vehicle if the employee, including a contract employee, is a direct support professional who:
(A) works directly with individuals with developmental disabilities to assist the individuals to become integrated into the individuals' community or least restrictive environment; and
(B) uses the employee's personal vehicle while transporting an individual with developmental disabilities.
As added by P.L.90-2010, SEC.7.

 

[EnochRoot43]

I am no expert on this, and dozens or hundreds of people on INGO are far more knowledgeable then me.....

But what the OP seems to be asking is if by disassembling his Glock, he is no longer possessing a handgun. I believe, that whatever piece of the weapon has the serial # plate attached, is a "handgun" by federal law.

This can be thought of by considering what parts can be purchased online and shipped to your home. Whatever part requires a FFL to transfer, is technically a firearm.

 

[Double T]

Regardless, the lower is the firearm. You can have everything gutted and only a barrel, slide, and receiver in the vehicle.

In all honesty, if you arent allowed by IC, dont.

 

[Car Ramrod]

Take my glock for instance,

I field strip it and put the spring and slide in the trunk, then keep the stock and barrel in the glove box in my car. Would this still be considered "may readily be converted"? I wasn't sure if there were any cases that this kind of thing may have came up.

My primary concern is that I work on a property that does not allow firearms. With an hour commute to work and the closest range midway between work and home, I can't ever make it to the range after work cause it's hour and thirty min before I get to range. I also am aware that the chances of having car searched are slim, but I could see myself getting in a lot of trouble (at least with work).

You have a stock for your Glock? I'm guessing you have filed the appropriate forms with the ATF to register it as an SBR, then?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Is your question concerning how to carry a handgun without the license?

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

If you only have the bare naked frame with you, say, for instance, on a high school property, you are still committing a crime.

The serial numbered portion of the pistol, in this case the frame, IS the firearm. Period.

Doesn't matter that there isn't a single part inside the frame.

Same with an AR lower.

-J-

 

[Westside]

Take my glock for instance,

I field strip it and put the spring and slide in the trunk, then keep the stock and barrel in the glove box in my car. Would this still be considered "may readily be converted"? I wasn't sure if there were any cases that this kind of thing may have came up.

My primary concern is that I work on a property that does not allow firearms. With an hour commute to work and the closest range midway between work and home, I can't ever make it to the range after work cause it's hour and thirty min before I get to range. I also am aware that the chances of having car searched are slim, but I could see myself getting in a lot of trouble (at least with work).

I believe that is called condition butterscotch.

http://youtu.be/8pU2IOTEZlU

 

[Mosinguy]

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

If I understand correctly, if you're employed by the school you can have a gun on the property. Granted, you're not going to be encouraged to do so (at least by me). I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn last night but that is my

 

[Car Ramrod]

If I understand correctly, if you're employed by the school you can have a gun on the property. Granted, you're not going to be encouraged to do so (at least by me). I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn last night but that is my

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

Highlighted the full sentence to show you otherwise. The semi-colon at the end of (2)(B) ends exceptions (A) and (B) to return the next line to finish the original (2) statement.

It might be easier to understand their use of the semi-colon if you look at (1)(A)-(C). Remove any two of the Federal, State, or Local exceptions and you will see it would read as:

Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(A) A Federal law enforcement officer.
(B) A State law enforcement officer.
(C) A Local law enforcement officer.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Is your work at a school property or a place with a school or daycare?

If so, no.

Don't take your gun to work if you work at a school. If you do, park off the school property and walk in. Or, store the gun at the range, if possible. If not, at a friend's house. Or, go back home and pick up the gun.

You are facing a criminal offense, a felony, if you work at a school. Don't do it/

 

[The Glockantuan]

Thanks for all the responses.

I guess in the case of a handgun it's not a "stock". Would it technically be the receiver? Or simply grip?

I'm not going to carry to work; I was mostly wondering if taking it apart would de-classify it technically as a firearm, by the state's definition.

I do want to find a new job, not solely for this reason; but it does fuel the fire that wants me out of here.

 

[kludge]

I was mostly wondering if taking it apart would de-classify it technically as a firearm, by the state's definition.

No. Per the Indiana Supreme Court, even if it's *broken* and no longer functional, it's still a gun... because even in it's broken state it was "designed to expel a projectile by means of an explosion."

In the case of a handgun, the frame is considered the "gun", per federal law; so disassembled, even COMPLETELY stripped bare, it's a "gun".

ETA: maybe if you took a torch and cut the frame in half, it might no longer be a gun.